CousinRicky Posted September 5, 2019 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 583 Content Count: 22,724 Reputation: 5,862 Days Won: 109 Joined: 09/13/2007 Share Posted September 5, 2019 14 hours ago, El_Toro_86 said: Boise has an identity and they’re loyal to it...USF on the other hand has no identity. The tin men now have an identity thanks to Frost and they’re sticking to it. How come we don't have an identity after Taggart? There is something more deeply troubling at USF when it comes to athletics. No idea wtf it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Dozer Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 343 Content Count: 13,697 Reputation: 2,041 Days Won: 45 Joined: 09/04/2006 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CousinRicky said: How come we don't have an identity after Taggart? There is something more deeply troubling at USF when it comes to athletics. No idea wtf it is. The University as a whole has been too timid/cautious about investing in the program/athletics as a whole. There's a lot to hate about the guys to the east but their admin committed 100% to giving athletics what they need to succeed and invested in their programs. They made some investments that seemed risky at the time but they have paid off in spades. UCF wasn't scared to push all their chips in while USF continues to fold to any raise and hopes to check it's way to winning the hand. Scared money don't make money. Hopefully the new leadership (Pres & AD) can change the culture over time. Edited September 5, 2019 by Bull Dozer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usf97 Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 179 Content Count: 3,649 Reputation: 461 Days Won: 4 Joined: 02/01/2005 Share Posted September 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said: The University as a whole has been too timid/cautious about investing in the program/athletics as a whole. There's a lot to hate about the guys to the east but their admin committed 100% to giving athletics what they need to succeed and invested in their programs. They made some investments that seemed risky at the time but they have paid off in spades. UCF wasn't scared to push all their chips in while USF continues to fold to any raise and hopes to check it's way to winning the hand. Scared money don't make money. Hopefully the new leadership (Pres & AD) can change the culture over time. I think this sums it up well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Bull Dozer said: The University as a whole has been too timid/cautious about investing in the program/athletics as a whole. There's a lot to hate about the guys to the east but their admin committed 100% to giving athletics what they need to succeed and invested in their programs. They made some investments that seemed risky at the time but they have paid off in spades. UCF wasn't scared to push all their chips in while USF continues to fold to any raise and hopes to check it's way to winning the hand. Scared money don't make money. Hopefully the new leadership (Pres & AD) can change the culture over time. Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fla331boy Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 831 Reputation: 103 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2011 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 12:59 PM, Bull94 said: the reason lower tier programs even began running spread offenses was because they couldn't compete with the big boys for pro style QBs and olines. Taggart took Flowers who nobody in the country offered as a QB and Mack who almost nobody wanted as a RB and built a top 5 in the country offense. Taggart wouldn't have been able to do it without Kinnan's help. The talent was there and he just couldn't get it done. Joe came in and brought the GCO and helped the lineman understand how to win being undersized. He would have failed in Oregon and is failing at FSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull94 Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 8,722 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 23 Joined: 02/02/2005 Share Posted September 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, fla331boy said: Taggart wouldn't have been able to do it without Kinnan's help. The talent was there and he just couldn't get it done. Joe came in and brought the GCO and helped the lineman understand how to win being undersized. He would have failed in Oregon and is failing at FSU. no successful person in life has been able to do it without someones help at some point. he did get it done. he designed the offense and called the plays. Joe helped for sure but they didn't run what he ran in high school. it was a hybrid and taggart went to baylor, Clemson, etc to help them develop the offense. Finding people who have had success and learning from them is a trait successful people have. he did not fail at oregon. he had a top 10 offense. just like he built here and just like he will do at FSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELdaBull Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 86 Content Count: 17,061 Reputation: 1,429 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/15/2005 Share Posted September 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, fla331boy said: Taggart wouldn't have been able to do it without Kinnan's help. The talent was there and he just couldn't get it done. Joe came in and brought the GCO and helped the lineman understand how to win being undersized. He would have failed in Oregon and is failing at FSU. Wait a minute. Now Kinnan was coaching the offensive line and calling the plays and tailoring the offense when he was just a consultant and not an on field coach? People stop it. I won't say what this is, but everyone who is objective knows what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTrue Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 152 Content Count: 19,395 Reputation: 6,097 Days Won: 233 Joined: 01/13/2011 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, fla331boy said: Taggart wouldn't have been able to do it without Kinnan's help. The talent was there and he just couldn't get it done. Joe came in and brought the GCO and helped the lineman understand how to win being undersized. He would have failed in Oregon and is failing at FSU. I heard Kinnan also taught QF how to throw and Marlon Mack how to run. He also convinced Adams to transfer to USF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flsportsfan83 Posted September 5, 2019 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 1,750 Content Count: 17,508 Reputation: 1,262 Days Won: 13 Joined: 08/16/2004 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Antonio Brown will be available soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fla331boy Posted September 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 831 Reputation: 103 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2011 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, JTrue said: I heard Kinnan also taught QF how to throw and Marlon Mack how to run. He also convinced Adams to transfer to USF. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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