Discussion on "fan styles"

[Brad]

8 minutes ago, puc86 said:

videos of him looking like an emotional basket-case (or at least what seems way too emotional to me but I’m probably not the most accurate judge of what’s too much emotion)

So oh OK … earlier in this thread he was “crying” routinely.  Can read no further. 
 

Nevermind, this is stupid. Manipulate someone else.  

[mjadams]

8 hours ago, Bull Nut said:

Cjs is in a tough situation where everything he does/says will be scrutinized. Bad play call, slam him. Not enough emotion on the sidelines, slam him. To much emotion during press conference, slam him. Circles the huddles, slam him. Mentions Clempzin, slam him. The only thing that will get him out of this viscous cycle is winning. The sharks are circling. 

You forgot call an RPO, slam him.

[Bull Nut]

35 minutes ago, mjadams said:

You forgot call an RPO, slam him.

I consolidated that into bad play call because there have been many Lol

[Rob-Bull]

After watching that press conference, It is obvious that Jeff Scott really cares for his players and his players are still fighting for him.  I am still rooting for him. He just needs to string a a few wins together. I'm frustrated like all of you guys, but I still hope Jeff Scott pulls it out in the end. 

[Orlando Bull]

1 hour ago, Rob-Bull said:

After watching that press conference, It is obvious that Jeff Scott really cares for his players and his players are still fighting for him.  I am still rooting for him. He just needs to string a a few wins together. I'm frustrated like all of you guys, but I still hope Jeff Scott pulls it out in the end. 

This thread is great entertainment. To bring it back on point though, I would agree with you except the part in bold. I think that is what troubles me the most. The Team has played their best games against UF and Cincy. UF is going to be the easiest game to get any USF team up for. Every single person on our team would have loved to get an offer from UF and they're all out there playing to show that they are just as good as those other guys. Cincy is on a million game win streak and ranked. Again, easy as a player to play up to that competition. With the UF game, I really hoped that we turned a corner, that Scott had found something and we could start to build on it. But, you come out for UL and ECU flat and get blown out, it tells me that the players have the ability to play with emotion and focus, but the coaching staff doesn't have the ability to bring that out of them on a regular basis.

I would also say that we can't lay this all on Scott, aside from the obvious fact that he is the head coach and responsible for the whole thing, so, we can... But... It's a tough position he is in, if you don't nail your first staff as a college coach, you're sunk. The coordinators and position coaches should be getting their guys prepared, Scott isn't directly responsible for all 11 guys on the field at any given time. But, now that he has been so bad, if I am a good assistant, there is no way I am jumping on this sinking ship. It's the number one mistake our bad hires have made. Holtz brought all of his C-USA buddies over and gave them big raises and they weren't ready for BCS football. While Leavitt's staff right before was already coaching at that level for 70% of the money. Once the blood is in the water, it's nearly impossible for a head coach to fix it. If I were a head coach motivational speaker, that would be my first order of business... choose your staff wisely, because they can break you in no time flat.

Of course, the flip side of that is that a new head coach that has never done it before has very little street cred with good assistants. It's not like he can go hire a Steve Sarkisian/Lane Kiffin type as an assistant the way Saban can. A good assistant is taking a gamble to coach with someone who has never been a head coach before, so, you get position coaches and make them coordinators, or very junior assistant position coaches and make them position coaches. They can't recruit, they haven't developed enough to spot strengths and weaknesses of their players, etc. If you're lucky as hell, you get a winner, but more often than not, you get what we have. Is anyone on earth concerned that some other school is going to hire a coordinator away from us? And here, I'll go back to a little blame on Scott... I believe that Leavitt didn't have the funds to get great assistants either. But, I think Leavitt made up for it with his own time. In my mind, I see him obsessing over every detail of every thing on his team and inserting himself into it all. I think Scott is likely more involved with offense. He has a young family, and I doubt that he puts in the hours that Leavitt did. I am not saying he is wrong, but as a manager of people, I either have to make up for their shortcomings, cycle new people in and out until I find winners, or, just prioritize myself and my family and live with poor results. I am more in the first category, but often times I wonder if that isn't detrimental to my overall health and wellbeing.

[Rocky Style]

12 hours ago, Outlaw said:

He gets paid 2 million plus to be the worse coach in FBS football three years straight . I have zero sympathy  or empathy for Scott. 

To not have empathy is kinda weird.  Although very 2022 humanity.

[USFbulls24]

19 hours ago, puc86 said:

 

In that CCS was infinitely more successful? I don’t see what crying is doing to help things. He cares? Maybe but I don’t see why I should care, abusive people sometimes care about their victims but they would still be better served without their care. Also he is probably far more upset about blowing his chance at something he has dreamed about and he sees it slipping away quickly and doesn’t know how to stop it than he is worried about a place he has been interested in for a couple of years now. If usf and Clemson were drowning and he could only save one he would save Clemson and if he had enough time to save both he would just spend more time making sure Clemson is okay and not passing another thought on our program. If he cared about usf more than himself he wouldn’t have taken an extension and he would be quitting but that’s not going to happen because he like most people is worried about #1. People feel sympathy for him because he is weak but feeling bad for someone doesn’t mean they are trying any harder or are any more likely to be successful.

lol I am 100% on board with the guy is in over his head and has been a total failure to this point, but a lot of what I read in that is silliness. The getting emotional in the moment talking about players being willing to play different positions was odd. The guy does care, but I would imagine it's the entire situation that's causing the emotion and not the story he gave while tearing up. He understands he's failed to this point and I think he's lost. He thought he had done enough to win some games from a roster perspective and they either haven't done enough in that regard or him and his coaching staff are preventing it. Either way brutal look for him. As far as the extension, if your company came to you and offered you a raise/extension you would take it too so throw that out the window that has no bearing on whether he cares or not. The extension is on Michael Kelly. Kelly has done a fine job with certain things, but extending Scott and Gregory is beyond me given their performances. 

I do agree that the emotion can easily come off as the guy is at the end of his rope with no answers which I would say is concerning at this point, but I'm well past concerned with the program and Jeff Scott. I don't think he has any answers at this point either. He is going to keep saying the same things and praise effort and players showing up for practice. Bottom line is, you have to win or you gotta go. You can love USF football more than anyone on this planet as the head coach and if you're not winning football games, you can't stay. 

[puc86]

18 minutes ago, USFbulls24 said:

lol I am 100% on board with the guy is in over his head and has been a total failure to this point, but a lot of what I read in that is silliness. The getting emotional in the moment talking about players being willing to play different positions was odd. The guy does care, but I would imagine it's the entire situation that's causing the emotion and not the story he gave while tearing up. He understands he's failed to this point and I think he's lost. He thought he had done enough to win some games from a roster perspective and they either haven't done enough in that regard or him and his coaching staff are preventing it. Either way brutal look for him. As far as the extension, if your company came to you and offered you a raise/extension you would take it too so throw that out the window that has no bearing on whether he cares or not. The extension is on Michael Kelly. Kelly has done a fine job with certain things, but extending Scott and Gregory is beyond me given their performances. 

I do agree that the emotion can easily come off as the guy is at the end of his rope with no answers which I would say is concerning at this point, but I'm well past concerned with the program and Jeff Scott. I don't think he has any answers at this point either. He is going to keep saying the same things and praise effort and players showing up for practice. Bottom line is, you have to win or you gotta go. You can love USF football more than anyone on this planet as the head coach and if you're not winning football games, you can't stay. 

I definitely would take any money anyone throws my way but I also wouldn’t expect people to feel bad for me that I have people that expect answers or are mean to me because I never have any of those. If it is taxing on him and the money not worth it he isn’t forced to do this and he was closer to an out before the extension. I think at the time he felt he had everyone’s buy in and all the time in the world but unfortunately at some point you have to pay the piper. I’m not mad at him at all and I would have done the same thing, I just don’t feel bad for him at all and I am shocked that anyone else can feel sorry for him.

[Rocky Style]

Didn't watch, but it reminded me of an interesting phenomenon:  "Society" supposedly wants men to show emotions more, but then immediately crucifies them whenever it happens and uses it as ammo against them.  Then depression and "other statistics" go sideways, and they say express emotions more.  Interesting lies on a mass scale used to pacify and distract while not actually caring. 

Personally I would rather these guys be more authentic, but at the end of the day it all comes down to results and we all know that.  Any leadership style can work and is appreciated once you get the results.

[Friscobull]

15 hours ago, Brad said:

Projecting the image of a decent human being would be a start for me.

Head coaches either get most of the glory or most of the angst, goes with the multi million dollar salaries, I didn’t make up the rules but I do follow them. It appears some on here bash the coach when we suck and others simply bash the people bashing the coach, not sure anyone can actually claim to be virtuous.

Btw…I don’t feel sorry for this entitled incompetent coach and that is not me trying to act like a tough guy, it is simply my opinion and you feel different.