I’d be interested to hear your theories . . .

[jchem1995]

9 minutes ago, brybull1970 said:

And I suspect OU would go with them. That would leave the Big 12 with 8 teams and would be logical for them to then expand to 14 like all the other conferences by adding:

• Cincinnati (WVU travel partner)
• UCF
• USF
• Houston
• Memphis
• SMU seems logical here but would expect TCU to put up a fight, so this cuould then be BYU or Boise as football only members

What sucks is that it would be the next Big Easy, as Jim Rome called the Big East when USF was added.

hey what if we get the band back together and go back to a big EAst football?

[Triple B]

1 hour ago, Gismo said:

By that logic Uconn would be gone too.

 

1 hour ago, CousinRicky said:

They are 

****, this could be the Kanigits' ultimate end game, going Independent. You know they think they can pull it off ala Notre Dame....

[CousinRicky]

1 minute ago, Triple B said:

 

****, this could be the Kanigits' ultimate end game, going Independent. You know they think they can pull it off ala Notre Dame....

They would play 5 pay games away and have 7 home games against FAMU, Bethune, etc.

[puc86]

15 minutes ago, Triple B said:

 

****, this could be the Kanigits' ultimate end game, going Independent. You know they think they can pull it off ala Notre Dame....

Anyway out of the AAC is a good way out

[George_Bullnard_Shaw]

3 hours ago, Ghostbuster said:

Super simple.

1. Collapse of the Big East.  Goodbye USF recruiting advantage.

2. UCF has cheated in every sense to get ahead in football.  (Which is the money maker and 'front porch' of the university)  From cheating on the construction of facilities (building dangerously unsafe stadium) to cheating to get recruits (receiving post season ban for recruiting violations and then getting off on a technicality) to cheating on funding buildings (breaking Florida law) to cheating on how they report metrics (claiming higher grades) to cheating their way to a ******natty (by just claiming one and ignoring the rules).

The simple answer is cheating does work.  Look at the Houston Astros, the Red Sox, the Patriots... All cheated to win and all got away with it.  UCF's cheating got them competitive advantages (money, publicity, more NFL graduates to use as recruiting stats) that they reap to this day.  Yeah Scott Frost was a stellar coach anyways for them, but his accomplishments were still on top of their cheater pile.

Meanwhile UWF is in serious hot water for misusing money and UCF gets away with everything they do.

[puc86]

Just now, brybull1970 said:

It boils down to revenue. The athletic departments of James Madison, Fresno State and UMass generated more money than USF in 2018. James Madison generated 13% more athletic department revenue in 2018 than USF, or $6.1M. At least we generated more revenue than Wyoming, Delaware and Old Dominion - although by only about $1M each.

We are who we are because the university, the alumni and the Tampa Bay community don't care enough about USF athletics to fund it. Instead student fees have to account for 37% of all athletic department revenue in order to just keep us afloat.

And what percentage does UCF student fees make up of their budget? Just out of curiosity...

[bullsfan27]

The tide has turned against us but it will turn against them soon. For years we dominated them but recently that tide has turned against us and will soon turn back into our favor.

[Triple B]

29 minutes ago, brybull1970 said:

Theirs ws 37.3% in 2018 compared ours at 37.9%.

So if we need our student fees just to keep us afloat, they’re just overcharging theirs?

[puc86]

49 minutes ago, brybull1970 said:

Not neccisarily. Clearly they have shown that there is correlation between revenue and success on the field (or vice versa). And they will charge whatever they need to charge to ensure they are a shoe-in for the next round of expansion - which revenue is the best leading indicator of.

Prior to the last round expansion in 2009-10 Rutgers ($64M) , Louisville ($63M) and West Virginia ($62M) all had significantly higher revenues than any other schools except for the ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big Ten and PAC-12 and all of them got the invite to P5 (data not available for TCU, Pitt and Syracuse).  Outside of UConn, whose revenues are 28% more than another non-P5 school, UCF had the highest revenues from this past year. Of the non-P5 chools, USF ranked 16th in revenue in 2018.

They are simply following the path laid out in the last round of expansion and are set to reap the rewards of it, and we are going to be laid waste by it.

But to be clear since they are charging more and almost the same percentage as we are student fee collection is not an issue and if anything should be the shining example of us doing the thing you desire, following their economic model. It’s just odd that you would single out the one thing we are doing identical to them as being something we are doing wrong.

[East lake bull]

I repeat ACADEMICS ie shared research is what gets us  chosen to move up to a p5 conference. All the schools who moved up during the last conference expansion are quality academic schools as we are now ,UCF is not even close to our academic class. ,  just a fact.