NinjaPenguin777 Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 3 Content Count: 1,628 Reputation: 242 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2008 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Better decision making? Based on what exactly? Woulard's roller coaster recruitment? The two years he sat on the bench? His one spring game worth of action? QF decision making was insanely good this year considering how much sand lot football he played at times this year. Both guys were top Dual Threat QB recruits. Literally the only accomplishment Woulard has is the Elite 11 win which is completely subjective. Lets stop crowning Woulard before he's accomplished anything when we just watched a QB lead us to an 8 win season in his first real year. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/8190665/asiantii-woulard-wins-elite-11-mvp Out of the QB's in that story, only Hackenburg and Goff have done anything. This is without further research into the rest of the QB's so I could be wrong. Edited January 7, 2016 by NinjaPenguin777 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 56 Content Count: 4,427 Reputation: 711 Days Won: 19 Joined: 03/16/2013 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Do we have any new QBs in the recruiting pipeline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaPenguin777 Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 3 Content Count: 1,628 Reputation: 242 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2008 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Chris Oladokun. Probably spelled that wrong, but as of now he's our only commit. He's no threat to QF http://www.thebullspen.com/topic/96743-chris-oladokun-qb-alonso-hs-2016/ Edited January 7, 2016 by NinjaPenguin777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDYZR Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 486 Content Count: 12,470 Reputation: 2,849 Days Won: 25 Joined: 12/14/2005 Share Posted January 7, 2016 5 hours ago, raptorcj said: Agony is the specialty here, you'd just be trading one agonizing discussion for another one about: 1. Arm wrestling clearly favors AW. 2. QF as the incumbent should just be declared until competition says otherwise 3. AW (or a new recruit) as the backup should just be declared until competition says otherwise 4. Arm wrestling is insane for QBs from a safety perspective. on...and on...and... Because? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apis Bull Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,586 Content Count: 23,185 Reputation: 2,332 Days Won: 65 Joined: 09/05/2002 Share Posted January 7, 2016 12 minutes ago, BDYZR said: Because? He has longer arms, so he's got the leverage advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 3,042 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/09/2010 Share Posted January 7, 2016 43 minutes ago, Apis Bull said: He has longer arms, so he's got the leverage advantage. Just like in the bench press, I believe shorter arms favor longer arms in arm wrestling. Can we get a seasoned pro to confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulls2k Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 17 Content Count: 980 Reputation: 91 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/07/2012 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) From this I'd say he's not beating out CWT Flowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWBKRf_83TA Edited January 8, 2016 by Triple B That's who poster meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullTiger Posted January 8, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 529 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/16/2008 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I like Flowers to start. Having said that, I will also say that it would take a very mature coach, team and player to go through spring, and IF IT IS THE CASE (which I have no idea), identify that the team would be in a better position to win with Woulard for them to move Flowers to receiver / punt returns. The reason I say that is because IF Woulard separated himself even in the spring, most schools would stick with the guy who excelled last year. The logical thing for all parties is to go with Woulard IF he steps up because it gives Flowers the best chance of playing at the next level, it gives Woulard the best chance of playing at the next level and in the scenario it would give our team the best chance to win. AGAIN ALL THAT IS A BIG IF! But, there are logical reasons to go with Woulard given even a tie on paper, and that would mean Woulard outperforms Flowers in Spring enough to overcome the game experience and success of Flowers. It would also give us a successful option should Woulard bomb. Win - win if it worked out this way, because Flowers is honestly not likely to make an NFL team under center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorcj Posted January 8, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 8,878 Reputation: 1,266 Days Won: 28 Joined: 07/12/2013 Share Posted January 8, 2016 3 hours ago, BDYZR said: Because? Work with me here. Seems like there's been some (!!) discussion over who has the "stronger" arm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTrue Posted January 8, 2016 Group: Member Topic Count: 152 Content Count: 19,395 Reputation: 6,097 Days Won: 233 Joined: 01/13/2011 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, NinjaPenguin777 said: Better decision making? Based on what exactly? Woulard's roller coaster recruitment? The two years he sat on the bench? His one spring game worth of action? QF decision making was insanely good this year considering how much sand lot football he played at times this year. Both guys were top Dual Threat QB recruits. Literally the only accomplishment Woulard has is the Elite 11 win which is completely subjective. Lets stop crowning Woulard before he's accomplished anything when we just watched a QB lead us to an 8 win season in his first real year. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/8190665/asiantii-woulard-wins-elite-11-mvp Out of the QB's in that story, only Hackenburg and Goff have done anything. This is without further research into the rest of the QB's so I could be wrong. Not to push the discussion in one way or the other, but more than those two have done pretty well for themselves in college since the Elite 11. Dobbs has been good for Tennessee. Zaire I'll give an incomplete to since he was the started at Notre Dame until he got injured. Greenlee isn't a slouch at Fresno. Max Browne has a good shot to be the starter at USC next year. Troy Williams has an equally good shot at being Utah's starter. Shane Morris will likely be in the mix next year at Michigan. But of the rest, not much has been done. But that's sort of par for the course with QBs out of high school. Most big time schools don't turn the ball over to a freshman or sophomore if they're recruiting the position well. When you're starting a freshman, it means you've done a piss poor job of roster depth at the position. Edited January 8, 2016 by JTrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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