CWT's Bus: who's on, off, undecided?

[Gismo]

For starters, how about an offense that doesn't require the QB to make a bunch of reads while standing in the pocket? How about an offense that doesn't ask a QB that has difficulty throwing on the run to throw on the run? How about not asking a smallish OLine to block for running plays and pass plays that require a massive OLine?

Are you telling me that our OLine recruits are the 118th worst in DI? Our QBs are the 118th worst in DI? I'm not buying either of those stories, but that is what you are saying.

All of the above, plus the endless shifting and pre-snap motion.

Simplify the playbook and don't try to force 19-year-olds to drink from a fire hose.

Don't run every down, throw it deep.

Fake a few punts and FG tries.

Like I said, entertain or die

Evidently we are alone on the island of reality.

Don't worry, Taggart is going to recruit the "right" players instead of the "wrong" ones and the coaching staff will magically improve.

I'm with you both.

Play calling/creativity is sub par except some of the delayed hand offs and play actions which are a nice addition.

Play design Taggart was trying to bring in too much complexity too quickly though this year execution does seem to have improved.

Taggart has not show much situational creativity either.

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

On.

The ridiculous expectations of this fanbase sicken me. The cupboard was beyond bare(now made obvious by 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So) when he got here. Constantly changing coaches every 3rd year makes it impossible to build something. Coach T is building something.

I don't think it is obvious that 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So means the cupboard was bare. What it means is that Taggart was unable to adjust his philosophy to the players that were here to play a different system. The question is whether he can get the players he wants and be successful. Doesn't mean a more flexible coach couldn't have won with what was here.

This.

Long-term you recruit the Jimmies and Joes to fit your X's and O's, but short-term you adjust schemes to get the best result out of the players you have.

College football is part of the entertainment budget.

Entertain or you don't get budgeted.

With the dumpster fire we had at QB last season I'm not sure what offense we could have adapted towards. Floyd and Eveld were nice kids but had no business as starters at the FBS level, Bench can run a bit but has poor accuracy throwing the football, and White was a twig of a true freshman with slightly better accuracy than Bench. Then throw in how awful our offensive line was and I'm stumped how we adapt to the situation we had on offense. Maybe we run a little more read option with Bench but he couldn't stay healthy last year without that upped work load and I don't think he's explosive enough as a runner for that to translate to more wins. Spreading it out and tossing it around isn't an option due to poor accuracy at the QB spot and the fact we needed to max protect to even give our Qbs a chance to get rid of the ball. I'm waiting to hear a legitimate scheme we could've used last year to get more wins considering the dumpster fire we had on offense. People love to throw that argument around but never have a realistic suggestions about what could've actually been done. My thinking is if you have a throw away year (which anyone with a lick of sense knew it would be) you install your system and immerse the players in it so it's second nature by the next season.

 

 

We had to max protect because we're only sending out 3 guys to catch a pass..

 

If you're the defensive coordinator and you know you' have to guard a TE, 2 WR, and a RB out of the backfield what are you going to do on 2nd or 3rd and long? You're going to bring pressure. You bring 5 or 6 guys and you still have 5 or 6 to drop back and  cover 4 possible pass catchers. With bringing those 5 or 6 guys the QB is going to have to get rid of the ball quick which most likely means if the ball is completed it'll be before the first down so no harm done. 

 

I can't argue that our QBs are really accurate, but in a spread offense there are quick plays that accuracy shouldn't be an issue for any qb who ever played college football. Bubble Screens, Slants, pick plays, etc. On plays like that you need to hold protection for a second or two. But what am I saying. Western Carolina tried this against us and.... oh yea... 

 

I've said for awhile, implement your power offense, use it the majority of the game, but on 3rd and longs or a 2 minute offense or when the game dictates, run some spread. When your offense was AS BAD as ours was last year, why not?! You can't possibly think it would've been worse for our offense scoring wise. Would it have been the same? Maybe, but we don't know that. Use some different looks until you have everything you need to run your wonderful power offense instead of watching the offense get destroyed every Saturday.

Please notice I did not say to run the spread the entire game. Please note I did not say he should've ran spread from the second he got here. I understand his philosophy is not going to change. But this is not the NFL. You're not rewarded for going 2-10 with a high draft pick. We should be doing everything and anything to win on Saturdays. If you think him changing things up and running a few plays in a spread formation with 4 or 5 WR on the field last season when it would make sense would mess up his entire rebuild that's nonsense.

[206BULL]

*Ignores all sensible posts*

TAGGERT SHOULD HAVE GOT AT LEAST 6 WINS JUST RUN THE SPREAD BRAH

FIRE HIM IM OFF THIS BUS, BRING IN DUNGY, LEAVITT, OR GRUDEN

IF THEY SUCK IN 1 YEAR FIRE THEM TOO

Obviously bring all coaches in on 1 year contracts! Who wouldn't want to come to USF on a year contract?

[snarling Bull]

 

 

For starters, how about an offense that doesn't require the QB to make a bunch of reads while standing in the pocket?  How about an offense that doesn't ask a QB that has difficulty throwing on the run to throw on the run?  How about not asking a smallish OLine to block for running plays and pass plays that require a massive OLine?  

 

Are you telling me that our OLine recruits are the 118th worst in DI?  Our QBs are the 118th worst in DI?  I'm not buying either of those stories, but that is what you are saying.

 

 

All of the above, plus the endless shifting and pre-snap motion.

 

Simplify the playbook and don't try to force 19-year-olds to drink from a fire hose.

 

Don't run every down, throw it deep.

 

Fake a few punts and FG tries.

 

Like I said, entertain or die

 

 

Evidently we are alone on the island of reality.

 

Don't worry, Taggart is going to recruit the "right" players instead of the "wrong" ones and the coaching staff will magically improve.

 

I am on the island with you!

[ThePuddingMan]

Still on board. I give the man three years. I expect some kind of progress next year, bowl game preferably.

[Leviathan]

Every day I get in the queue 

 

To get on the bus that takes me to you

[Bull Dozer]

 

 

 

 

On.

The ridiculous expectations of this fanbase sicken me. The cupboard was beyond bare(now made obvious by 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So) when he got here. Constantly changing coaches every 3rd year makes it impossible to build something. Coach T is building something.

I don't think it is obvious that 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So means the cupboard was bare. What it means is that Taggart was unable to adjust his philosophy to the players that were here to play a different system. The question is whether he can get the players he wants and be successful. Doesn't mean a more flexible coach couldn't have won with what was here.

This.

Long-term you recruit the Jimmies and Joes to fit your X's and O's, but short-term you adjust schemes to get the best result out of the players you have.

College football is part of the entertainment budget.

Entertain or you don't get budgeted.

With the dumpster fire we had at QB last season I'm not sure what offense we could have adapted towards. Floyd and Eveld were nice kids but had no business as starters at the FBS level, Bench can run a bit but has poor accuracy throwing the football, and White was a twig of a true freshman with slightly better accuracy than Bench. Then throw in how awful our offensive line was and I'm stumped how we adapt to the situation we had on offense. Maybe we run a little more read option with Bench but he couldn't stay healthy last year without that upped work load and I don't think he's explosive enough as a runner for that to translate to more wins. Spreading it out and tossing it around isn't an option due to poor accuracy at the QB spot and the fact we needed to max protect to even give our Qbs a chance to get rid of the ball. I'm waiting to hear a legitimate scheme we could've used last year to get more wins considering the dumpster fire we had on offense. People love to throw that argument around but never have a realistic suggestions about what could've actually been done. My thinking is if you have a throw away year (which anyone with a lick of sense knew it would be) you install your system and immerse the players in it so it's second nature by the next season.

 

 

We had to max protect because we're only sending out 3 guys to catch a pass..

 

If you're the defensive coordinator and you know you' have to guard a TE, 2 WR, and a RB out of the backfield what are you going to do on 2nd or 3rd and long? You're going to bring pressure. You bring 5 or 6 guys and you still have 5 or 6 to drop back and  cover 4 possible pass catchers. With bringing those 5 or 6 guys the QB is going to have to get rid of the ball quick which most likely means if the ball is completed it'll be before the first down so no harm done. 

 

I can't argue that our QBs are really accurate, but in a spread offense there are quick plays that accuracy shouldn't be an issue for any qb who ever played college football. Bubble Screens, Slants, pick plays, etc. On plays like that you need to hold protection for a second or two. But what am I saying. Western Carolina tried this against us and.... oh yea... 

 

I've said for awhile, implement your power offense, use it the majority of the game, but on 3rd and longs or a 2 minute offense or when the game dictates, run some spread. When your offense was AS BAD as ours was last year, why not?! You can't possibly think it would've been worse for our offense scoring wise. Would it have been the same? Maybe, but we don't know that. Use some different looks until you have everything you need to run your wonderful power offense instead of watching the offense get destroyed every Saturday.

Please notice I did not say to run the spread the entire game. Please note I did not say he should've ran spread from the second he got here. I understand his philosophy is not going to change. But this is not the NFL. You're not rewarded for going 2-10 with a high draft pick. We should be doing everything and anything to win on Saturdays. If you think him changing things up and running a few plays in a spread formation with 4 or 5 WR on the field last season when it would make sense would mess up his entire rebuild that's nonsense.

 

 

Did you see what Eveld did in the spread?  He was around 50% completion percentage and had an awful YPA even with all of those easy throws in the Holtz bubble screenfest and barely moved the offense when he was on the field pre-Taggart  Floyd couldn't take a **** snap and turned into a deer in head lights when he got in, so nope no bubble screens saving the day there.  White was still raw and still has questionable accuracy and sees to have issues under pressure, again no certainty we are better on offense by running the spread.  Bench is somewhat interesting because he can run a bit but again he's pretty bad accuracy wise, even on easy throws.   I don't know how anyone with a sane mind can look at those kids and think gee if we just would run the spread we could put up points.  We had ZERO QB's that were goo enough to start as FBS starters last season.  

 

This doesn't even even touch on the OL who we scheme to max protect with because they couldn't block anyone last season.  The OL was probably one of the worst I've seen at USF, Including the pre BCS days.  We weren't scheming to max pro tech because we wanted to send just 3 guys out there, it was out of necessity.  We had the same problems under Holtz as far as pass protection goes but BJ masked/mitigated a lot of those issues with his elite scrambling ability and athleticism.  If you look at the games after BJ got hurt you saw exactly what we had up front when you took away an elite scrambling QB, a OL that leaked like sieve.    

 

Listen Taggart isn't immune to criticism but to sit here and pretend that  a few bubble screens and spread elements mixed in was fixing anything or getting us any more wins is just ignoring what we had on the field.  Let's not even get in to the lack of quality depth at RB last season (we had no real difference makers behind Shaw) and the fact that the cupboard was bare at WR besides Dre.  We did have some talent at TE but both MacFarland and Price were/are wildly inconsistent. Heck if you want to go back to why two TE's were on the field so often it's probably because Price and McFarland were better than anyone we had at WR besides Dre. Does Taggarts play calling deserve some scrutiny? Yes, it does, but acting like we were going to be saved by the spread offense when we didn't even have a viable FBS quality QB, the worst FBS offensive line in the country, only ntwo quality players between the WR and RB units, and two talented but wildly TE's is just completely unrealistic.  Take of the green and gold goggles, this offense was severely lacking talent last season and has taken a step forward with some of the new additions (Adams, Mack, Swanson, Bronson) but most of the talent is still young and we still have an even bigger need for more quality kids at every unit.  You don't just turn a historically bad offense (anyone paying attention after BJ went down knew exactly what we were getting into on offense last season) around over night, no matter how many bubble screens and screen elements you use.  

Edited October 7, 2014 by Bull Dozer

[charsibb]

 

 

 

 

 

On.

The ridiculous expectations of this fanbase sicken me. The cupboard was beyond bare(now made obvious by 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So) when he got here. Constantly changing coaches every 3rd year makes it impossible to build something. Coach T is building something.

I don't think it is obvious that 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So means the cupboard was bare. What it means is that Taggart was unable to adjust his philosophy to the players that were here to play a different system. The question is whether he can get the players he wants and be successful. Doesn't mean a more flexible coach couldn't have won with what was here.

This.

Long-term you recruit the Jimmies and Joes to fit your X's and O's, but short-term you adjust schemes to get the best result out of the players you have.

College football is part of the entertainment budget.

Entertain or you don't get budgeted.

With the dumpster fire we had at QB last season I'm not sure what offense we could have adapted towards. Floyd and Eveld were nice kids but had no business as starters at the FBS level, Bench can run a bit but has poor accuracy throwing the football, and White was a twig of a true freshman with slightly better accuracy than Bench. Then throw in how awful our offensive line was and I'm stumped how we adapt to the situation we had on offense. Maybe we run a little more read option with Bench but he couldn't stay healthy last year without that upped work load and I don't think he's explosive enough as a runner for that to translate to more wins. Spreading it out and tossing it around isn't an option due to poor accuracy at the QB spot and the fact we needed to max protect to even give our Qbs a chance to get rid of the ball. I'm waiting to hear a legitimate scheme we could've used last year to get more wins considering the dumpster fire we had on offense. People love to throw that argument around but never have a realistic suggestions about what could've actually been done. My thinking is if you have a throw away year (which anyone with a lick of sense knew it would be) you install your system and immerse the players in it so it's second nature by the next season.

 

 

We had to max protect because we're only sending out 3 guys to catch a pass..

 

If you're the defensive coordinator and you know you' have to guard a TE, 2 WR, and a RB out of the backfield what are you going to do on 2nd or 3rd and long? You're going to bring pressure. You bring 5 or 6 guys and you still have 5 or 6 to drop back and  cover 4 possible pass catchers. With bringing those 5 or 6 guys the QB is going to have to get rid of the ball quick which most likely means if the ball is completed it'll be before the first down so no harm done. 

 

I can't argue that our QBs are really accurate, but in a spread offense there are quick plays that accuracy shouldn't be an issue for any qb who ever played college football. Bubble Screens, Slants, pick plays, etc. On plays like that you need to hold protection for a second or two. But what am I saying. Western Carolina tried this against us and.... oh yea... 

 

I've said for awhile, implement your power offense, use it the majority of the game, but on 3rd and longs or a 2 minute offense or when the game dictates, run some spread. When your offense was AS BAD as ours was last year, why not?! You can't possibly think it would've been worse for our offense scoring wise. Would it have been the same? Maybe, but we don't know that. Use some different looks until you have everything you need to run your wonderful power offense instead of watching the offense get destroyed every Saturday.

Please notice I did not say to run the spread the entire game. Please note I did not say he should've ran spread from the second he got here. I understand his philosophy is not going to change. But this is not the NFL. You're not rewarded for going 2-10 with a high draft pick. We should be doing everything and anything to win on Saturdays. If you think him changing things up and running a few plays in a spread formation with 4 or 5 WR on the field last season when it would make sense would mess up his entire rebuild that's nonsense.

 

 

Did you see what Eveld did in the spread?  He was around 50% completion percentage and had an awful YPA even with all of those easy throws in the Holtz bubble screenfest and barely moved the offense when he was on the field pre-Taggart  Floyd couldn't take a **** snap and turned into a deer in head lights when he got in, so nope no bubble screens saving the day there.  White was still raw and still has questionable accuracy and sees to have issues under pressure, again no certainty we are better on offense by running the spread.  Bench is somewhat interesting because he can run a bit but again he's pretty bad accuracy wise, even on easy throws.   I don't know how anyone with a sane mind can look at those kids and think gee if we just would run the spread we could put up points.  We had ZERO QB's that were goo enough to start as FBS starters last season.  This doesn't even even touch on the OL who we scheme to max protect with because they couldn't block anyone last season.  The OL was probably one of the worst I've seen at USF, Including the pre BCS days.  We weren't scheming to max pro tech because we wanted to send just 3 guys out there, it was out of necessity.  We had the same problems under Holtz as far as pass protection goes but BJ masked/mitigated a lot of those issues with his elite scrambling ability and athleticism.  If you look at the games after BJ got hurt you saw exactly what we had up front when you took away an elite scrambling QB, a OL that leaked like sieve.    Listen Taggart isn't immune to criticism but to sit here and pretend that  a few bubble screens and spread elements mixed in was fixing anything or getting us any more wins is just ignoring what we had on the field.  Let's not even get in to the lack of quality depth at RB last season (we had no real difference makers behind Shaw) and the fact that the cupboard was bare at WR besides Dre.  We did have some talent at TE but both MacFarland and Price were/are wildly inconsistent. Heck if you want to go back to why two TE's were on the field so often it's probably because Price and McFarland were better than anyone we had at WR besides Dre. Does Taggarts play calling deserve some scrutiny? Yes, it does, but acting like we were going to be saved by the spread offense when we didn't even have a viable FBS quality QB, the worst FBS offensive line in the country, only ntwo quality players between the WR and RB units, and two talented but wildly TE's is just completely unrealistic.  Take of the green and gold goggles, this offense was severely lacking talent last season and has taken a step forward with some of the new additions (Adams, Mack, Swanson, Bronson) but most of the talent is still young and we still have an even bigger need for more quality kids at every unit.  You don't just turn a historically bad offense (anyone paying attention after BJ went down knew exactly what we were getting into on offense last season) around over night, no matter how many bubble screens and screen elements you use.  

 

 

The paragraph key is not your emeny...

[Bull Dozer]

Screw that guy, he owes me $5

[JTrue]

On.

The ridiculous expectations of this fanbase sicken me. The cupboard was beyond bare(now made obvious by 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So) when he got here. Constantly changing coaches every 3rd year makes it impossible to build something. Coach T is building something.

I don't think it is obvious that 50% of the 2-deep being Fr and So means the cupboard was bare. What it means is that Taggart was unable to adjust his philosophy to the players that were here to play a different system. The question is whether he can get the players he wants and be successful. Doesn't mean a more flexible coach couldn't have won with what was here.

This.

Long-term you recruit the Jimmies and Joes to fit your X's and O's, but short-term you adjust schemes to get the best result out of the players you have.

College football is part of the entertainment budget.

Entertain or you don't get budgeted.

With the dumpster fire we had at QB last season I'm not sure what offense we could have adapted towards. Floyd and Eveld were nice kids but had no business as starters at the FBS level, Bench can run a bit but has poor accuracy throwing the football, and White was a twig of a true freshman with slightly better accuracy than Bench. Then throw in how awful our offensive line was and I'm stumped how we adapt to the situation we had on offense. Maybe we run a little more read option with Bench but he couldn't stay healthy last year without that upped work load and I don't think he's explosive enough as a runner for that to translate to more wins. Spreading it out and tossing it around isn't an option due to poor accuracy at the QB spot and the fact we needed to max protect to even give our Qbs a chance to get rid of the ball. I'm waiting to hear a legitimate scheme we could've used last year to get more wins considering the dumpster fire we had on offense. People love to throw that argument around but never have a realistic suggestions about what could've actually been done. My thinking is if you have a throw away year (which anyone with a lick of sense knew it would be) you install your system and immerse the players in it so it's second nature by the next season.

We had to max protect because we're only sending out 3 guys to catch a pass..

If you're the defensive coordinator and you know you' have to guard a TE, 2 WR, and a RB out of the backfield what are you going to do on 2nd or 3rd and long? You're going to bring pressure. You bring 5 or 6 guys and you still have 5 or 6 to drop back and cover 4 possible pass catchers. With bringing those 5 or 6 guys the QB is going to have to get rid of the ball quick which most likely means if the ball is completed it'll be before the first down so no harm done.

I can't argue that our QBs are really accurate, but in a spread offense there are quick plays that accuracy shouldn't be an issue for any qb who ever played college football. Bubble Screens, Slants, pick plays, etc. On plays like that you need to hold protection for a second or two. But what am I saying. Western Carolina tried this against us and.... oh yea...

I've said for awhile, implement your power offense, use it the majority of the game, but on 3rd and longs or a 2 minute offense or when the game dictates, run some spread. When your offense was AS BAD as ours was last year, why not?! You can't possibly think it would've been worse for our offense scoring wise. Would it have been the same? Maybe, but we don't know that. Use some different looks until you have everything you need to run your wonderful power offense instead of watching the offense get destroyed every Saturday.

Please notice I did not say to run the spread the entire game. Please note I did not say he should've ran spread from the second he got here. I understand his philosophy is not going to change. But this is not the NFL. You're not rewarded for going 2-10 with a high draft pick. We should be doing everything and anything to win on Saturdays. If you think him changing things up and running a few plays in a spread formation with 4 or 5 WR on the field last season when it would make sense would mess up his entire rebuild that's nonsense.

Did you see what Eveld did in the spread? He was around 50% completion percentage and had an awful YPA even with all of those easy throws in the Holtz bubble screenfest and barely moved the offense when he was on the field pre-Taggart Floyd couldn't take a **** snap and turned into a deer in head lights when he got in, so nope no bubble screens saving the day there. White was still raw and still has questionable accuracy and sees to have issues under pressure, again no certainty we are better on offense by running the spread. Bench is somewhat interesting because he can run a bit but again he's pretty bad accuracy wise, even on easy throws. I don't know how anyone with a sane mind can look at those kids and think gee if we just would run the spread we could put up points. We had ZERO QB's that were goo enough to start as FBS starters last season. This doesn't even even touch on the OL who we scheme to max protect with because they couldn't block anyone last season. The OL was probably one of the worst I've seen at USF, Including the pre BCS days. We weren't scheming to max pro tech because we wanted to send just 3 guys out there, it was out of necessity. We had the same problems under Holtz as far as pass protection goes but BJ masked/mitigated a lot of those issues with his elite scrambling ability and athleticism. If you look at the games after BJ got hurt you saw exactly what we had up front when you took away an elite scrambling QB, a OL that leaked like sieve. Listen Taggart isn't immune to criticism but to sit here and pretend that a few bubble screens and spread elements mixed in was fixing anything or getting us any more wins is just ignoring what we had on the field. Let's not even get in to the lack of quality depth at RB last season (we had no real difference makers behind Shaw) and the fact that the cupboard was bare at WR besides Dre. We did have some talent at TE but both MacFarland and Price were/are wildly inconsistent. Heck if you want to go back to why two TE's were on the field so often it's probably because Price and McFarland were better than anyone we had at WR besides Dre. Does Taggarts play calling deserve some scrutiny? Yes, it does, but acting like we were going to be saved by the spread offense when we didn't even have a viable FBS quality QB, the worst FBS offensive line in the country, only ntwo quality players between the WR and RB units, and two talented but wildly TE's is just completely unrealistic. Take of the green and gold goggles, this offense was severely lacking talent last season and has taken a step forward with some of the new additions (Adams, Mack, Swanson, Bronson) but most of the talent is still young and we still have an even bigger need for more quality kids at every unit. You don't just turn a historically bad offense (anyone paying attention after BJ went down knew exactly what we were getting into on offense last season) around over night, no matter how many bubble screens and screen elements you use.

The paragraph key is not your emeny...

I stopped reading when he was complaining about a QB connecting on 50% of his throws.