USF/Big East Realignment Discussion Thread - Part Deaux

[Gismo]

If the 6 year deal isn't even confirmed yet then we can't know ANYTHING because even the officials are leading on the public with speculations....

This whole situation is ridiculous....

If Big East football wants to survive they need to leave the BBall schools, but too late for that

If the Big12 wants to survive they need to VOTE OUT TEXAS.... problem solved...

Members of both conferences need to stop being pushed around and team up and do something about it but they don't, Big East just gets walked over by the bball and the Big12 by Texas.

[charsibb]

is it time to lock this one or split off say the last five pages and start part 3?

Can we get a thread dedicated to actual information and not speculation? These threads are going crazy.

I would be for that BUT some of the stuff people consider information is not far from speculation itself

True so can you mod it so that users can only cite sources of information?

we could have three categories and pray that people follow the threads correctly (otherwise it's like herding cats):

1) Free For ALL Re-Alignment thread-- anything goes in here that doesn't fit category 2 or 3

2) News/Facts (cited articles/websites) Re-Alignment thread with discussion

3) Tweets/random speculation/latest rumors Re-Alignment thread

that might be a little over the top-- as it does seem to be calming down but this has been a roller coaster ride so who knows

Ooh yeah, the cat herders!!!

m_MaJDK3VNE

[gomiami1972]

Why all the Bull on Bull hate in these 75 pages?  Let's disuss, predict and debate "United as One".

Personally, I prefer bull on cow.

[macphisto]

I doubt that the Big XII expands much, if at all.  They are giving the conference rights to tier 1 and tier 2 programming.  I think they only add one extra team IF their TV contract says they need to.

Let's think about this.  They have $157M in shared TV revenue coming in beginning next year.  If they basically sign a contract that locks them in for six years with nine teams then they each get $17.4M per year.  If the TV contract requires the league be ten teams, I suspect they would add BYU because they are the path of least resistance.  They are indy and no conference will try to prevent them moving.

The Big East will be eyeing a new TV contract, so I suspect it will try to arrange expansion for the 2013 season at the latest.  This will allow Pitt and Syracuse out a year early.  I'd also suspect that the football schools will lobby hard for 12 teams on the football end of things with most being full sport participants, but some kind of concession will be given to the bball schools. 

TCU is coming.  Navy would be a wise add for the national audience.  Houston would give us a big time city.  SMU has been on the rise again and would give us Dallas and Ft. Worth with TCU.  East Carolina has done well in football and puts us into the heart of the ACC, getting us into Virginia and NC.  And Temple strengthens are appeal in the Philly area.

We won't lose AQ status until 2014 if ever, and I doubt we come near doing that.  Adding a championship game and more games to sell in tier 1 and tier 2 packages will increase revenue and likely hold the conference together.  I think this is the most likely outcome.

[BurghBull]

How CBS Sports envision how are conference will look in 2014:  They have the Big 12 at 10 with adding only BYU and VT going to the SEC and Uconn in the ACC.   

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15623988/conference-swapping-will-lead-to-realignment-in-standings

Big East

With Syracuse and Pittsburgh announcing their departure and others reportedly making efforts to do the same, it looked like the Big East was not going to survive this wave of realignment. After a three-hour meeting in downtown New York, John Marinatto emerged with "aggressive" plans to expand and replace the dearly departed. The landscape for football looks much different, but the openings in our expansion plans give AQ opportunities to some of the up-and-coming programs in the nation. Here's how the power rankings shape up for our new-look Big East.

1. TCU: Rose Bowl rings, a brand new renovation to their stadium, and now an annual shot at an AQ BCS berth. The Horned Frogs have been building this program over the past decade and they should jump right to the front of their new conference upon arrival.

2. West Virginia: The Mountaineers' lack of a solid television market and some other non-football concerns may/may not have kept them from making a move in the recent expansion wave. But the football program can be a contender in any conference, the new Big East especially.

3. South Florida: Skip Holtz gained a certain amount of respect in Tampa due to his football lineage. But if 2011 ends up being the kind of season many expect, the son of Dr. Lou will have a name for himself and a HUGE school ready to provide him with the tools necessary to be a contender.

4. Central Florida: Many pundits have referred to the Knights' football program as a "sleeping giant." I think the advances they've made in recruiting along with a passionate fan base will result in UCF living up to its reputation.

5. Louisville: Charlie Strong was overdue for his first head coaching job. He'll get the Cardinals back to being Big East contenders with a few years of his own recruiting classes. He's a great coach who I believe gets the most out of what he has. Unfortunately what he has right now is a little too green for Big East competition.

6. Navy: After being promoted to head coach in 2007, Ken Niumatalolo has delivered three straight seasons of eight-plus wins for the Midshipmen. His teams are bruising and physical and a nightmare to face. No reason to think any of that changes after Navy sheds its independent status.

7. Houston: When Kevin Sumlin took control of the program, he continued the progress and rebuilding that started in the mid-2000s. The Cougars have been known for high-powered offenses thanks to good coaching and the quarterbacking of Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum. But they will need more than offensive fireworks for perennial success at the AQ level.

8. Cincinnati: Jury's out on whether Butch Jones is the right man for the job, but the Bearcats have enough young talent around the program to keep them mildly competitive in the newly aligned Big East.

9. Rutgers: This may seem shortsighted, but I'm struggling to see Rutgers emerge from this expansion on top of the new arrivals. 2010's performance was supposedly a fluke, but if the course for 2011 doesn't change it might be the start of a trend.

10. Air Force: As long as the Falcons have Troy Calhoun for a while, they can find their way in the new conference. But something tells me it will be much more difficult to keep him in Colorado Springs after the new spotlight gives him more national exposure.

[BleedGreenAndGold]

How CBS Sports envision how are conference will look in 2014:  They have the Big 12 at 10 with adding only BYU and VT going to the SEC and Uconn in the ACC.   

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15623988/conference-swapping-will-lead-to-realignment-in-standings

Big East

With Syracuse and Pittsburgh announcing their departure and others reportedly making efforts to do the same, it looked like the Big East was not going to survive this wave of realignment. After a three-hour meeting in downtown New York, John Marinatto emerged with "aggressive" plans to expand and replace the dearly departed. The landscape for football looks much different, but the openings in our expansion plans give AQ opportunities to some of the up-and-coming programs in the nation. Here's how the power rankings shape up for our new-look Big East.

1. TCU: Rose Bowl rings, a brand new renovation to their stadium, and now an annual shot at an AQ BCS berth. The Horned Frogs have been building this program over the past decade and they should jump right to the front of their new conference upon arrival.

2. West Virginia: The Mountaineers' lack of a solid television market and some other non-football concerns may/may not have kept them from making a move in the recent expansion wave. But the football program can be a contender in any conference, the new Big East especially.

3. South Florida: Skip Holtz gained a certain amount of respect in Tampa due to his football lineage. But if 2011 ends up being the kind of season many expect, the son of Dr. Lou will have a name for himself and a HUGE school ready to provide him with the tools necessary to be a contender.

4. Central Florida: Many pundits have referred to the Knights' football program as a "sleeping giant." I think the advances they've made in recruiting along with a passionate fan base will result in UCF living up to its reputation.

5. Louisville: Charlie Strong was overdue for his first head coaching job. He'll get the Cardinals back to being Big East contenders with a few years of his own recruiting classes. He's a great coach who I believe gets the most out of what he has. Unfortunately what he has right now is a little too green for Big East competition.

6. Navy: After being promoted to head coach in 2007, Ken Niumatalolo has delivered three straight seasons of eight-plus wins for the Midshipmen. His teams are bruising and physical and a nightmare to face. No reason to think any of that changes after Navy sheds its independent status.

7. Houston: When Kevin Sumlin took control of the program, he continued the progress and rebuilding that started in the mid-2000s. The Cougars have been known for high-powered offenses thanks to good coaching and the quarterbacking of Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum. But they will need more than offensive fireworks for perennial success at the AQ level.

8. Cincinnati: Jury's out on whether Butch Jones is the right man for the job, but the Bearcats have enough young talent around the program to keep them mildly competitive in the newly aligned Big East.

9. Rutgers: This may seem shortsighted, but I'm struggling to see Rutgers emerge from this expansion on top of the new arrivals. 2010's performance was supposedly a fluke, but if the course for 2011 doesn't change it might be the start of a trend.

10. Air Force: As long as the Falcons have Troy Calhoun for a while, they can find their way in the new conference. But something tells me it will be much more difficult to keep him in Colorado Springs after the new spotlight gives him more national exposure.

Looking at the by line I wonder how this is going to be received?  :

[Skingraft]

C-USA 2.0; how depressing of a outlook if true

[Held_AccountaBull]

How CBS Sports envision how are conference will look in 2014:  They have the Big 12 at 10 with adding only BYU and VT going to the SEC and Uconn in the ACC.   

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15623988/conference-swapping-will-lead-to-realignment-in-standings

Big East

With Syracuse and Pittsburgh announcing their departure and others reportedly making efforts to do the same, it looked like the Big East was not going to survive this wave of realignment. After a three-hour meeting in downtown New York, John Marinatto emerged with "aggressive" plans to expand and replace the dearly departed. The landscape for football looks much different, but the openings in our expansion plans give AQ opportunities to some of the up-and-coming programs in the nation. Here's how the power rankings shape up for our new-look Big East.

1. TCU: Rose Bowl rings, a brand new renovation to their stadium, and now an annual shot at an AQ BCS berth. The Horned Frogs have been building this program over the past decade and they should jump right to the front of their new conference upon arrival.

2. West Virginia: The Mountaineers' lack of a solid television market and some other non-football concerns may/may not have kept them from making a move in the recent expansion wave. But the football program can be a contender in any conference, the new Big East especially.

3. South Florida: Skip Holtz gained a certain amount of respect in Tampa due to his football lineage. But if 2011 ends up being the kind of season many expect, the son of Dr. Lou will have a name for himself and a HUGE school ready to provide him with the tools necessary to be a contender.

4. Central Florida: Many pundits have referred to the Knights' football program as a "sleeping giant." I think the advances they've made in recruiting along with a passionate fan base will result in UCF living up to its reputation.

5. Louisville: Charlie Strong was overdue for his first head coaching job. He'll get the Cardinals back to being Big East contenders with a few years of his own recruiting classes. He's a great coach who I believe gets the most out of what he has. Unfortunately what he has right now is a little too green for Big East competition.

6. Navy: After being promoted to head coach in 2007, Ken Niumatalolo has delivered three straight seasons of eight-plus wins for the Midshipmen. His teams are bruising and physical and a nightmare to face. No reason to think any of that changes after Navy sheds its independent status.

7. Houston: When Kevin Sumlin took control of the program, he continued the progress and rebuilding that started in the mid-2000s. The Cougars have been known for high-powered offenses thanks to good coaching and the quarterbacking of Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum. But they will need more than offensive fireworks for perennial success at the AQ level.

8. Cincinnati: Jury's out on whether Butch Jones is the right man for the job, but the Bearcats have enough young talent around the program to keep them mildly competitive in the newly aligned Big East.

9. Rutgers: This may seem shortsighted, but I'm struggling to see Rutgers emerge from this expansion on top of the new arrivals. 2010's performance was supposedly a fluke, but if the course for 2011 doesn't change it might be the start of a trend.

10. Air Force: As long as the Falcons have Troy Calhoun for a while, they can find their way in the new conference. But something tells me it will be much more difficult to keep him in Colorado Springs after the new spotlight gives him more national exposure.

I don't really have a problem with this alignment at all. Would like to add 2 more to get to 12.

[South_Florida_Flip]

I doubt that the Big XII expands much, if at all.  They are giving the conference rights to tier 1 and tier 2 programming.  I think they only add one extra team IF their TV contract says they need to.

Let's think about this.  They have $157M in shared TV revenue coming in beginning next year.  If they basically sign a contract that locks them in for six years with nine teams then they each get $17.4M per year.  If the TV contract requires the league be ten teams, I suspect they would add BYU because they are the path of least resistance.  They are indy and no conference will try to prevent them moving.

If they expand beyond 10, then they'll get a larger deal and per program payout could be higher.

[Who'sYourData?]

I doubt that the Big XII expands much, if at all.  They are giving the conference rights to tier 1 and tier 2 programming.  I think they only add one extra team IF their TV contract says they need to.

Let's think about this.  They have $157M in shared TV revenue coming in beginning next year.  If they basically sign a contract that locks them in for six years with nine teams then they each get $17.4M per year.  If the TV contract requires the league be ten teams, I suspect they would add BYU because they are the path of least resistance.  They are indy and no conference will try to prevent them moving.

If they expand beyond 10, then they'll get a larger deal and per program payout could be higher.

And the per program payout could also be lower.