Outlaw Posted April 2, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 12,621 Reputation: 3,313 Days Won: 25 Joined: 10/16/2017 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Brad said: The question was about independence. Had we had visionaries at the helm independence should have been a consideration. We didn't, so the point is moot. As for today, we're worse off than we were and independence is out of the question, we can agree on that. Additionally, "no other choice" is often easier to accept (and to remove responsibility) than a choice or the requirement to create your choices. We have only limited our choices since our days of success. The only options left is to win or embrace the suck. Edited April 2, 2023 by Outlaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,119 Reputation: 4,625 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Brad said: The question was about independence. Had we had visionaries at the helm independence should have been a consideration. We didn't, so the point is moot. As for today, we're worse off than we were and independence is out of the question, we can agree on that. Additionally, "no other choice" is often easier to accept (and to remove responsibility) than a choice or the requirement to create your choices. We have only limited our choices since our days of success. I predicted that independence was a stone cold lock. Oops. vvvvvvvv Edited April 2, 2023 by Rocky Style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,714 Reputation: 10,932 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted April 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, Brad said: The question was about independence. Had we had visionaries at the helm independence should have been a consideration. We didn't, so the point is moot. As for today, we're worse off than we were and independence is out of the question, we can agree on that. Additionally, "no other choice" is often easier to accept (and to remove responsibility) than a choice or the requirement to create your choices. We have only limited our choices since our days of success. My bad, there were other choices, such as going indy or shutting down Athletics. Independence would have only been a consideration for a nanosecond so who knows for sure if there wasn't.... Considering the branded programs that weren't chosen by a P5 from the BE, with most everything better off than our program, didn't go Independent at that point kinda tells you everything you need to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,119 Reputation: 4,625 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Triple B said: or shutting down Athletics Someone on here is pushing that option a lot. I suppose that means all the alumni can get together for random flash mobs instead. Edited April 2, 2023 by Rocky Style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted April 3, 2023 Group: Admin Topic Count: 13,331 Content Count: 97,076 Reputation: 10,845 Days Won: 469 Joined: 05/19/2000 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Or talk about our being a victim of a cruel, choiceless psuedo-NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinRicky Posted April 3, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 583 Content Count: 22,719 Reputation: 5,860 Days Won: 109 Joined: 09/13/2007 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Rocky Style said: Someone on here is pushing that option a lot. I suppose that means all the alumni can get together for random flash mobs instead. You'd get about as many people attending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoolyBully Posted April 3, 2023 Group: Bull Backers Topic Count: 194 Content Count: 6,784 Reputation: 863 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/01/2000 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Peatearpan said: Like if we really hit the FL, GA, southeast region hard in terms of scheduling, that could only help with exposure in recruiting. Which makes the grand assumption that schools WANT TO put USF on the schedule. Not a guarantee. As for recruiting, getting your arse waxed by P5 schools across the southeastern section of the nation, exactly how does that help USF with recruiting? The best USF can hope for, at this point and for the foreseeable future, is to position itself for the throw-the-dog-a-bone sixth slot in the annual playoff scenario. Which means winning a lot of games. Not just one or two. 'Cause there's gonna be a line of all those other schools vying for that spot. Independence works if you're school is spelled Notre Dame. Otherwise, not so much. College football in the early twenty-first century is all about who you're seen with, hence the relentless pining for inclusion somewhere other than here. Edited April 3, 2023 by WoolyBully comment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted April 3, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,119 Reputation: 4,625 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Brad said: Or talk about our being a victim of a cruel, choiceless psuedo-NCAA. It fits in with the slowly spiraling world. The NCAA reflects the general vibe of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84Bull Posted April 3, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 3 Content Count: 90 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2003 Share Posted April 3, 2023 No bowl invites, no baseball or men’s basketball NCAA invites, so no change really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
79 Bull Posted April 3, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 686 Content Count: 7,657 Reputation: 1,218 Days Won: 6 Joined: 07/10/2003 Share Posted April 3, 2023 In answer to the OP, it is basically impossible to be an independent in olympic sports. I've never heard of a team in D1 doing that, but I could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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