ESPN: Your comprehensive guide to the 2021 college basketball coaching hot seat

[Cubanbull]

I would say a winning record and at least an NIT bid should be the bar. After all weren’t we picked to be on that range or better this year?

Edited March 4, 2021 by Cubanbull

[puc86]

Just now, Jonesy Bull said:

Well this is a Basketball thread, not a football thread.....So

Past performance is the best indicator of future performance and since we do not have a basketball hire to compare it to it’s the best indicator that we have, also his greatest circle of contacts are from football. Is there an example of a successful hire made by MK that I can use to recalibrate my calculation?

[Guest Jonesy Bull]

8 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Past performance is the best indicator of future performance and since we do not have a basketball hire to compare it to it’s the best indicator that we have, also his greatest circle of contacts are from football. Is there an example of a successful hire made by MK that I can use to recalibrate my calculation?

Ummmm.....CJS is still under consideration.  Tell me you are smarter than to judge him after one Covid year with absolutely no time to recruit and he admitted was an Evaluation year.....tell me you are smarter than that Puc!

Now after 2-3 years down the line, if we are still having this conversation.  Then I will admit you are right, and take you out to your favorite restaurant!

[puc86]

1 minute ago, Jonesy Bull said:

And again, get off your freaking love affair with the past......sometimes you have to go backwards to go forward.  We don't know yet what CJS can do, and to continue your negative hatred without cause, is just not fair!

You absolutely never once have to go backwards in order to go forward, that’s only something that people failing as they learn on the job say. In order to go forward you simply have to identify the greatest opportunities and seize them. By CJS’ own admission he made leadership mistakes that directly lead to the abortion he created last season. I hope that by identifying his problems we can move forward and progress but it most certainly was not necessary in order to improve over CCS’ failings and that it happened is because MK hired the wrong guy for the moment,  we can only go up from here and I hope that we do but that does not change the fact that there is absolutely nothing MK has demonstrated that makes anyone think he is capable of making a good hire to turn around quickly a middling program.

[puc86]

Just now, Jonesy Bull said:

Ummmm.....CJS is still under consideration.  Tell me you are smarter than to judge him after one Covid year with absolutely no time to recruit and he admitted was an Evaluation year.....tell me you are smarter than that Puc!

Now after 2-3 years down the line, if we are still having this conversation.  Then I will admit you are right, and take you out to your favorite restaurant!

It’s easy to judge him simply by comparing him to those around him, he was an abject failure by any measure and he was not uniquely impacted by Covid only his failure was unique.

[JTrue]

21 minutes ago, puc86 said:

You absolutely never once have to go backwards in order to go forward, that’s only something that people failing as they learn on the job say. In order to go forward you simply have to identify the greatest opportunities and seize them. By CJS’ own admission he made leadership mistakes that directly lead to the abortion he created last season. I hope that by identifying his problems we can move forward and progress but it most certainly was not necessary in order to improve over CCS’ failings and that it happened is because MK hired the wrong guy for the moment,  we can only go up from here and I hope that we do but that does not change the fact that there is absolutely nothing MK has demonstrated that makes anyone think he is capable of making a good hire to turn around quickly a middling program.

So you admit we did improve! You called us a middling program!

[puc86]

2 minutes ago, JTrue said:

So you admit we did improve! You called us a middling program!

Hahahahaha middling was meant to be in reference to the basketball team and it not being worth the risk of MK destroying the program to get “his guy”.

[BrassBulls12]

49 minutes ago, puc86 said:

It’s easy to judge him simply by comparing him to those around him, he was an abject failure by any measure and he was not uniquely impacted by Covid only his failure was unique.

So who around him are you comparing him too? 

And covid impacted everyone differently. I don't recall any team being forced to sit players to compensate for their opponents having to quarantine. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by BrassBulls12

[puc86]

11 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

So who around him are you comparing him too? 

And covid impacted everyone differently. I don't recall any team being forced to sit players to compensate for their opponents having to quarantine. 

UTSA is the most comparable situation and they improved by as many games as we regressed which is why they got an A and we got a D as one of the worst hires that off season 

Grading College Football's First-Year Coaching Hires for 2020

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The 2020 college football season featured 24 new coaches at FBS programs, and with the year completed, its time to grade and rank the hires. UTSAs......

 As for teams impacted by having players missing, not being able to practice and games called off I compiled this small list of those from the FBS level but I am not sure if it is comprehensive. 

 

Team	Nickname	City	State[1]	Enrollment	Current Conference	Former Conferences	First Played	Joined FBS
Air Force	Falcons	Colorado Springs	Colorado	4,237	Mountain West	WAC	1955
Akron	Zips	Akron	Ohio	19,200	MAC	OAC, MCC, OVC	1891	1987
Alabama	Crimson Tide	Tuscaloosa	Alabama	38,500	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1892
Appalachian State	Mountaineers	Boone	North Carolina	19,100	Sun Belt	NSC, SoCon	1928	2014[n 1]
Arizona	Wildcats	Tucson	Arizona	45,200	Pac-12	BIAA, WAC	1899
Arizona State	Sun Devils	Tempe	Arizona	51,800	Pac-12	BIAA, WAC	1896
Arkansas	Razorbacks	Fayetteville	Arkansas	27,800	SEC	SWC	1894
Arkansas State	Red Wolves	Jonesboro	Arkansas	22,000	Sun Belt	Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference, Southland, Big West	1911	1992
Army	Black Knights	West Point	New York	4,300	Independent	C-USA	1890
Auburn	Tigers	Auburn	Alabama	30,400	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1892
Ball State	Cardinals	Muncie	Indiana	22,500	MAC	IIC, ICC	1924
Baylor	Bears	Waco	Texas	17,200	Big 12	TIAA, SWC	1899
Boise State	Broncos	Boise	Idaho	25,500	Mountain West	ICAC, Big Sky, Big West, WAC	1933[n 2]	1996
Boston College	Eagles	Chestnut Hill	Massachusetts	14,700	ACC	Big East	1893
Bowling Green	Falcons	Bowling Green	Ohio	23,000	MAC	Northwest Ohio Intercollegiate Athletic Association, OAC	1919
Buffalo	Bulls	Buffalo	New York	31,500	MAC	New York State Conference	1894	1999
BYU	Cougars	Provo	Utah	33,600	Independent	Rocky Mountain, Mountain States, WAC, MW	1922
California	Golden Bears	Berkeley	California	42,500	Pac-12	PCC	1882
Central Michigan	Chippewas	Mount Pleasant	Michigan	21,700	MAC	MCC, IIAC	1896
Charlotte	49ers	Charlotte	North Carolina	29,700	C-USA	Sun Belt, C-USA, A-10	2013	2015
Cincinnati	Bearcats	Cincinnati	Ohio	46,000	American	OAC, Buckeye Intercollegiate Athletic Association, MAC, MVC, C-USA, Big East	1885
Clemson	Tigers	Clemson	South Carolina	25,000	ACC	SIAA, SAIAA, SoCon	1896
Coastal Carolina	Chanticleers	Conway	South Carolina	10,600	Sun Belt	Big South	2003	2017
Colorado	Buffaloes	Boulder	Colorado	33,200	Pac-12	Colorado Football Association, Rocky Mountain, Mountain States, Big Eight, Big 12	1890
Colorado State	Rams	Fort Collins	Colorado	33,800	Mountain West	Colorado Football Association, Rocky Mountain, Mountain States, WAC	1890
Duke	Blue Devils	Durham	North Carolina	15,900	ACC	SoCon	1888
East Carolina	Pirates	Greenville	North Carolina	29,100	American	NSC, Carolinas, SoCon, C-USA	1932
Eastern Michigan	Eagles	Ypsilanti	Michigan	20,300	MAC	MIAA, MCC, IIAC, PAC	1891
FIU	Panthers	Miami	Florida	56,800	C-USA	Sun Belt	2002	2006
Florida	Gators	Gainesville	Florida	56,100	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1906
Florida Atlantic	Owls	Boca Raton	Florida	30,800	C-USA	Sun Belt	2001	2006
Florida State	Seminoles	Tallahassee	Florida	41,900	ACC	Dixie	1947
Fresno State	Bulldogs	Fresno	California	25,000	Mountain West	California Coast Conference, NCAC, CCAA, Big West, WAC	1921
Georgia	Bulldogs	Athens	Georgia	38,200	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1892
Georgia Southern	Eagles	Statesboro	Georgia	26,400	Sun Belt	SoCon	1924	2014
Georgia State	Panthers	Atlanta	Georgia	52,800	Sun Belt	CAA	2010	2013
Georgia Tech	Yellow Jackets	Atlanta	Georgia	32,700	ACC	SIAA, SoCon, SEC	1892
Hawaii	Rainbow Warriors	Honolulu	Hawai'i	17,700	Mountain West	WAC	1909
Houston	Cougars	Houston	Texas	42,700	American	Lone Star, Gulf Coast, MVC, SWC, C-USA[n 3]	1946
Illinois	Fighting Illini	Urbana–Champaign	Illinois	51,200	Big Ten	Illinois Intercollegiate Football League	1890
Indiana	Hoosiers	Bloomington	Indiana	43,700	Big Ten	IIAA	1887
Iowa	Hawkeyes	Iowa City	Iowa	33,000	Big Ten	WIUFA, MVC	1889
Iowa State	Cyclones	Ames	Iowa	33,400	Big 12	MVC, Big 8	1892
Kansas	Jayhawks	Lawrence	Kansas	27,700	Big 12	KCAC, WIUFA, MVC, Big 8	1890
Kansas State	Wildcats	Manhattan	Kansas	21,700	Big 12	MVC, Big 8	1896
Kent State	Golden Flashes	Kent	Ohio	39,300	MAC	OAC	1920
Kentucky	Wildcats	Lexington	Kentucky	29,200	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1881
Liberty	Flames	Lynchburg	Virginia	15,000	Independent	Big South	1973	2018
Louisiana	Ragin' Cajuns	Lafayette	Louisiana	19,200	Sun Belt	Louisiana Intercollegiate Athletic Association, Louisiana Intercollegiate Conference, Gulf States Conference, SIAA, Southland, Big West	1902
Louisiana–Monroe	Warhawks	Monroe	Louisiana	8,800	Sun Belt	Gulf States Conference, Southland, Independent	1951	1994
Louisiana Tech	Bulldogs	Ruston	Louisiana	12,400	C-USA	Louisiana Intercollegiate Athletic Association, Louisiana Intercollegiate Conference, Gulf States Conference, SIAA, Southland, Big West, WAC	1901	1989
Louisville	Cardinals	Louisville	Kentucky	22,600	ACC	KIAC, SIAA, KIAC, OVC, MVC, C-USA, Big East, American	1910
LSU	Tigers	Baton Rouge	Louisiana	30,800	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1893
Marshall	Thundering Herd	Huntington	West Virginia	13,200	C-USA	WVIAC, Buckeye Conference, OVC, MAC, SoCon	1895	1997[n 1]
Maryland	Terrapins	College Park	Maryland	41,200	Big Ten	MIFA, SAIAA, SoCon, ACC	1888
Memphis	Tigers	Memphis	Tennessee	21,500	American	Mississippi Valley Conference, SIAA, MVC, C-USA[n 3]	1912
Miami (FL)	Hurricanes	Coral Gables[n 4]	Florida	17,300	ACC	SIAA, Big East	1926[2]
Miami (OH)	RedHawks	Oxford	Ohio	24,300	MAC	OAC, Buckeye Conference	1888
Michigan	Wolverines	Ann Arbor	Michigan	46,000	Big Ten		1879
Michigan State	Spartans	East Lansing	Michigan	50,300	Big Ten	MIAA	1885
Middle Tennessee	Blue Raiders	Murfreesboro	Tennessee	21,900	C-USA	VSAC, SIAA, OVC, Sun Belt	1911	1999
Minnesota	Golden Gophers	Minneapolis	Minnesota	47,800	Big Ten		1882
Mississippi State	Bulldogs	Starkville	Mississippi	22,200	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1895
Missouri	Tigers	Columbia	Missouri	30,000	SEC	WIUFA, Big 8, Big 12	1890
Navy	Midshipmen	Annapolis	Maryland	4,600	American	Independent	1879
NC State	Wolfpack	Raleigh	North Carolina	35,500	ACC	SAIAA, SIAA, SoCon	1892
Nebraska	Cornhuskers	Lincoln	Nebraska	25,800	Big Ten	WIUFA, MVC, Big 8, Big 12	1890
Nevada	Wolf Pack	Reno	Nevada	21,600	Mountain West	NCAC, Big Sky, Big West, WAC	1896	1992
New Mexico	Lobos	Albuquerque	New Mexico	26,300	Mountain West	BIAA, WAC	1892
New Mexico State	Aggies	Las Cruces	New Mexico	21,900	Independent	BIAA, MVC, Big West, Sun Belt, WAC	1893
North Carolina	Tar Heels	Chapel Hill	North Carolina	29,800	ACC	SAIAA, SIAA, SoCon	1888
North Texas	Mean Green	Denton	Texas	39,400	C-USA	TIAA, Lone Star, Gulf Coast Conference, MVC, Southland, Big West, Sun Belt	1913	1995
Northern Illinois	Huskies	DeKalb	Illinois	20,000	MAC	IIAC, Big West	1899
Northwestern	Wildcats	Evanston	Illinois	21,200	Big Ten		1876
Notre Dame	Fighting Irish	South Bend	Indiana	12,300	Independent		1887
Ohio	Bobcats	Athens	Ohio	34,900	MAC	OAC, Buckeye Conference	1894
Ohio State	Buckeyes	Columbus	Ohio	68,100	Big Ten	OAC	1889
Oklahoma	Sooners	Norman	Oklahoma	28,500	Big 12	Oklahoma Intercollegiate Conference, SWC, MVC, Big 8	1895
Oklahoma State	Cowboys	Stillwater	Oklahoma	25,300	Big 12	Oklahoma Intercollegiate Conference, SWC, MVC, Big 8	1901
Old Dominion	Monarchs	Norfolk	Virginia	25,000	C-USA	CAA	2009	2014
Ole Miss	Rebels	Oxford	Mississippi	23,200	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1890
Oregon	Ducks	Eugene	Oregon	22,700	Pac-12	PCC, Independent	1894
Oregon State	Beavers	Corvallis	Oregon	30,900	Pac-12	PCC, Independent	1893
Penn State	Nittany Lions	University Park	Pennsylvania	46,600	Big Ten		1881
Pittsburgh	Panthers	Pittsburgh	Pennsylvania	28,600	ACC	Big East	1890
Purdue	Boilermakers	West Lafayette	Indiana	43,400	Big Ten	IIAA	1887
Rice	Owls	Houston	Texas	7,100	C-USA	TIAA, SWC, WAC	1912
Rutgers	Scarlet Knights	Piscataway	New Jersey	70,900	Big Ten	Middle Atlantic, Big East, American	1869
San Diego State	Aztecs	San Diego	California	34,900	Mountain West	Southern California Junior College Conference, SCIAC, CCAA, Big West, WAC	1921	1969
San Jose State	Spartans	San Jose	California	32,800	Mountain West	California Coast Conference, NCAC, California Collegiate, Big West, WAC	1892
SMU	Mustangs	University Park	Texas	11,800	American	TIAA, SWC, WAC, C-USA[n 3]	1915
South Alabama	Jaguars	Mobile	Alabama	15,100	Sun Belt		2009	2012
South Carolina	Gamecocks	Columbia	South Carolina	50,100	SEC	SIAA, SoCon, ACC	1892
South Florida	Bulls	Tampa	Florida	50,700	American	C-USA, Big East	1997	2001
Southern Miss	Golden Eagles	Hattiesburg	Mississippi	14,500	C-USA	Gulf States Conference, SIAA	1912
Stanford	Cardinal	Stanford	California	16,500	Pac-12	PCC	1891
Syracuse	Orange	Syracuse	New York	22,900	ACC	Big East	1889
TCU	Horned Frogs	Fort Worth	Texas	10,400	Big 12	TIAA, SWC, WAC, C-USA, MW	1896
Temple	Owls	Philadelphia	Pennsylvania	40,000	American	Middle Atlantic, Big East, MAC, Big East	1894
Tennessee	Volunteers	Knoxville	Tennessee	28,900	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1891
Texas	Longhorns	Austin	Texas	51,800	Big 12	SIAA, TIAA, SWC	1893
Texas A&M	Aggies	College Station	Texas	69,400	SEC	SIAA, SWC, Big 12	1894
Texas State	Bobcats	San Marcos	Texas	38,800	Sun Belt	TIAA, Lone Star, Gulf Star, Southland, WAC	1904	2012
Texas Tech	Red Raiders	Lubbock	Texas	38,200	Big 12	BIAA, SWC	1925
Toledo	Rockets	Toledo	Ohio	23,100	MAC	Northwestern Ohio Intercollegiate Athletic Association, OAC	1917
Troy	Trojans	Troy	Alabama	18,100	Sun Belt	Alabama Intercollegiate Conference, SIAA, Alabama Collegiate Conference, Mid-South Athletic Conference, Gulf South, Southland	1909	2002
Tulane	Green Wave	New Orleans	Louisiana	14,100	American	SIAA, SoCon, SEC, C-USA	1893
Tulsa	Golden Hurricane	Tulsa	Oklahoma	3,297[3]	American	Oklahoma Intercollegiate Conference, Big 4 Conference, MVC, WAC, C-USA	1895
UAB	Blazers	Birmingham	Alabama	21,900	C-USA		1991	1999
UCF	Knights	Orlando	Florida	68,600	American	MAC, C-USA	1979	1996
UCLA	Bruins	Los Angeles	California	45,400	Pac-12	SCIAC, PCC	1919
UConn	Huskies	Storrs[n 5]	Connecticut	32,200	Independent	Yankee, A-10, Big East, American	1896	2000
UMass	Minutemen	Amherst	Massachusetts	30,600	Independent	Yankee, A-10, CAA, MAC	1879	2012
UNLV	Rebels	Las Vegas[n 6]	Nevada	30,500	Mountain West	Big West, WAC	1968	1978
USC	Trojans	Los Angeles	California	45,700	Pac-12	PCC	1888
UTEP	Miners	El Paso	Texas	25,100	C-USA	BIAA, WAC	1914
UTSA	Roadrunners	San Antonio	Texas	30,700	C-USA	WAC	2011	2012
Utah	Utes	Salt Lake City	Utah	33,000	Pac-12	Colorado Football Association, RMAC, Mountain States, WAC, MW	1892
Utah State	Aggies	Logan	Utah	29,400	Mountain West	Colorado Football Association, RMAC, Mountain States, Big West, Independent, Sun Belt, WAC	1892
Vanderbilt	Commodores	Nashville	Tennessee	13,100	SEC	SIAA, SoCon	1890
Virginia	Cavaliers	Charlottesville	Virginia	24,400	ACC	SAIAA, SoCon	1888
Virginia Tech	Hokies	Blacksburg	Virginia	33,400	ACC	SAIAA, SIAA, SoCon, Big East	1892
Wake Forest	Demon Deacons	Winston-Salem	North Carolina	8,100	ACC	Big Five Conference, SoCon	1888
Washington	Huskies	Seattle	Washington	47,900	Pac-12	PCC	1889
Washington State	Cougars	Pullman	Washington	30,600	Pac-12	PCC, Independent	1893
West Virginia	Mountaineers	Morgantown	West Virginia	30,000	Big 12	SoCon, WVIAC, Big East	1891
Western Kentucky	Hilltoppers	Bowling Green	Kentucky	20,300	C-USA	SIAA, KIAC, OVC, MVFC, Sun Belt	1913	2009
Western Michigan	Broncos	Kalamazoo	Michigan	22,900	MAC	MCC	1905
Wisconsin	Badgers	Madison	Wisconsin	44,400	Big Ten		1889
Wyoming	Cowboys	Laramie	Wyoming	12,400	Mountain West	Colorado Football Association, RMAC, WAC	1893

Edited March 4, 2021 by puc86

[bjef4844]

1 hour ago, Jonesy Bull said:

Huh?  You are talking both sides out of your mouth.  You can't have it both ways in one year dude.

If after 5 years?  That ship would have sailed way before then.

Last bold, HUH?  I truly believe now you really are a troll.  Should have listened to the rest of the posters here.

 

I just think that if he can get us to .500 and show improvement on offense, add a 7th year to the deal. However, if he can do better than that then I would be all for a multi-year extension. Not sure what was so hard to understand about that, so hopefully me restating it helps.

I'm not a troll. Trolls likely have better places to hang out at lol