Veer and Shoot Offense

[Bulls On Parade]

4 hours ago, El_Toro_86 said:

GCO doesn’t fit their talent.  He’s doing the same thing at FSU he did here just the opposite.

This....a good coach works with what he has and with time can slowly transition the team into what he wants to run.   It is that transition period that gets so many coaches it seems in trouble...most have a huge ego and wont adapt to what they have but force a round peg into a square even if it means getting fired. 

That is why I can respect Tags...he switched up what he was doing since it would never work here and turned things totally around. 

 

Edited November 11, 2018 by Bulls On Parade

[bullsfan27]

To tags credit he did switch things around here. Now how much did flowers play into that I’m not sure but I got a feeling he played a major part in the decision to switch.

[usf97]

I am sure this has been laid out before on Sterlin Gilbert. We keep hearing about where his offense ranks. 

Has anyone really looked at his resume? His team's win/loss record in comparison to his offensive rankings?  It screams under-achiever. 

Yet if you look at his USF bio page, he sounds like an All Star coach. Reference after to reference to Offensive Yards rankings. https://gousfbulls.com/coaches.aspx?rc=3198&path=football

2012 Eastern Illinois 7-5 under Dino Babers

2013 Eastern Illinois 12-2 under Dino Babers, Led nation in total offense in FCS. (Had Jimmy Garoppolo as starting QB both seasons)

2014 Bowling Green 8-6 (41st ranked offense) under Dino Babers ( Team went 10-4 following season and won MAC championship when Gilbert was gone)

2015 Tulsa 6-7 (13th ranked offense) with Dane Evans at QB. (Tulsa went 10-3 season after he left.) 

2016 Texas 5-7 (17th ranked offense) Got Charlie Strong fired. (UT went 7-6 following season after he left)

2017 USF 10-2 (6th ranked offense) Had QF (GOAT) 

Sure he doesn't control the defense but I am seeing a pattern. 

 

Edited November 12, 2018 by usf97

[JTrue]

10 minutes ago, usf97 said:

I am sure this has been laid out before on Sterlin Gilbert. We keep hearing about where his offense ranks. 

Has anyone really looked at his resume? His team's win/loss record in comparison to his offensive rankings?  It screams under-achiever. 

Yet if you look at his USF bio page, he sounds like an All Star coach. Reference after to reference to Offensive Yards rankings. https://gousfbulls.com/coaches.aspx?rc=3198&path=football

2012 Eastern Illinois 7-5 under Dino Babers

2013 Eastern Illinois 12-2 under Dino Babers, Led nation in total offense in FCS. (Had Jimmy Garoppolo as starting QB both seasons)

2014 Bowling Green 8-6 (41st ranked offense) under Dino Babers ( Team went 10-4 following season and won MAC championship when Gilbert was gone)

2015 Tulsa 6-7 (13th ranked offense) with Dane Evans at QB. (Tulsa went 10-3 season after he left.) 

2016 Texas 5-7 (17th ranked offense) Got Charlie Strong fired. (UT went 7-6 following season after he left)

2017 USF 10-2 (6th ranked offense) Had QF (GOAT) 

Sure he doesn't control the defense but I am seeing a pattern. 

 

That good teams always have good quarterbacks?

[usf97]

1 minute ago, JTrue said:

That good teams always have good quarterbacks?

Well sure that helps. There are a lot of variable here. 

The pattern I see is that he tends to have highly ranked offensive numbers, yet the Win/Loss record of those teams are not that impressive. Of the 4 teams he left, 3 of those 4 teams have had a better record the following season. 

Maybe that is just a coincidence. 

[usfbullrider]

I think it affects practice some too.  Our defense isn't developing because the offense they see everyday is simplistic and leaves large areas of the field untouched.

[Bull Dozer]

1 hour ago, usf97 said:

I am sure this has been laid out before on Sterlin Gilbert. We keep hearing about where his offense ranks. 

Has anyone really looked at his resume? His team's win/loss record in comparison to his offensive rankings?  It screams under-achiever. 

Yet if you look at his USF bio page, he sounds like an All Star coach. Reference after to reference to Offensive Yards rankings. https://gousfbulls.com/coaches.aspx?rc=3198&path=football

2012 Eastern Illinois 7-5 under Dino Babers

2013 Eastern Illinois 12-2 under Dino Babers, Led nation in total offense in FCS. (Had Jimmy Garoppolo as starting QB both seasons)

2014 Bowling Green 8-6 (41st ranked offense) under Dino Babers ( Team went 10-4 following season and won MAC championship when Gilbert was gone)

2015 Tulsa 6-7 (13th ranked offense) with Dane Evans at QB. (Tulsa went 10-3 season after he left.) 

2016 Texas 5-7 (17th ranked offense) Got Charlie Strong fired. (UT went 7-6 following season after he left)

2017 USF 10-2 (6th ranked offense) Had QF (GOAT) 

Sure he doesn't control the defense but I am seeing a pattern. 

 

The often overlooked thing is his "best" years were when he was with Babers, who no doubt had his hands all up in the philosophy and play calling (Having an NFL starter at QB also helps tremendously at that level).  I think it's pretty obvious that Babers was the brains behind the operation and Gilbert has rode that gravy train but lacks the imagination as a play caller to run the offense at it's full potential.... 

Edited November 12, 2018 by Bull Dozer

[USFBulls727]

[NewEnglandBull]

38 minutes ago, USFBulls727 said:

You forgot to put Lloyd Christmas in your diagram...

Edited November 16, 2018 by NewEnglandBull

[Calibull]

On 11/9/2018 at 7:13 PM, NewEnglandBull said:

Cuse has a real offensive line...

They have a competent OC too...