MMW Posted October 18, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 39 Content Count: 2,127 Reputation: 924 Days Won: 6 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Matt Grothe had a four star RB Mike Ford ...Mack surpassed Ford during the Syracuse game if I'm not mistaken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TromBull12 Posted October 18, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 19 Content Count: 953 Reputation: 607 Days Won: 6 Joined: 09/28/2014 Share Posted October 18, 2015 In the beginning of a program any and everyone looks good in comparison to nothing. There will be a time where even Mr. Grothe will belong to the history books. I would hope all bulls fans would want that to be sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibull Posted October 19, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 8 Content Count: 2,508 Reputation: 879 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/05/2011 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Mack surpassed Ford during the Syracuse game if I'm not mistaken. It wouldn't surprise me... there again... two different systems. One system is based on the RBs being able to run and the QB bing mobile enough to extend plays and make runs. The other, offense under Grothe, relied less on the RBs and more on the WRs making plays and the QB still being mobile enough to extend plays (but under Grothe the offense was predicated on him being able to do this to pass the ball). Mike Ford didn't get the touches Mack does now because he was in a different offense. But no one would argue the guy was not an incredible talent. He was just stupid and stayed in the doghouse... and then got kicked off the team.... for weed. But I think at the end of the season comparing Flowers to any QB that played at USF is a legit comparison. I mean I argue with the guys here about stats and completion percentage not being the best indicator. But sometimes I like everyone else want to see good stats from a guy. I actually get Hornz and all of those guys. I know why they think what they do... it's natural because we've sucked for a really really long time and it literally shows up in the stats over there past 5 years. But I honestly don't think you can compare Flowers to anyone until they year is out... then it's an open book because we would have seen how he accumulated the stats as a basis for evaluating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibull Posted October 19, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 8 Content Count: 2,508 Reputation: 879 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/05/2011 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm just glad the stats are a lot better than they were the last 4 years. That's the last thing I'll say about comparing anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman123 Posted October 19, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 411 Content Count: 5,591 Reputation: 204 Days Won: 3 Joined: 12/10/2006 Share Posted October 19, 2015 At least that steered the conversation away from that nonsense that we'd be 5-1 or 6-0 this year with that stiff from UConn qbing us ...Now THAT was a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinRicky Posted October 20, 2015 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 583 Content Count: 22,722 Reputation: 5,862 Days Won: 109 Joined: 09/13/2007 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Rewatched the game today and decided to jot down QFs passing attempts. Did not realize we only threw the ball 3 times in the 2nd half. Down & Distance - Whether pass was downfield or behind LOS - How far beyond/behind LOS - Comp or Incomplete - Result of play3rd & 10 - Downfield 30 yds - Inc - Overthrown1st & 10 - Downfield 45 yds - Inc - Overthrown3rd & 9 - Behind LOS 3 yds - Comp - 3 yd Loss2nd & 9 - Behind LOS 5 yds - Comp - 4 yd Gain3rd & 5 - Behind LOS 7 yds - Comp - 5 yd Loss1st & 10 - Behind LOS 5 yds - Comp - 4 yd Gain2nd & 6 - Touch pass/handoff - Comp - 8 yd Gain1st & 10 - Downfield 1 yd - Comp - No gain3rd & 7 - Downfield 5 yds - Comp - 44 yd TD3rd & 5 - Downfield 5 yds - INT 1st & 10 - Downfield 25 yds - Comp - 28 yd Gain1st & 10 - Behind LOS 3 yds - Comp - 5 yd Gain2nd & 5 - Behind LOS 3 yds - Comp - 2 yd Loss2nd Half2nd & 9 - Downfield 21 yds - INT1st & 10 - Downfield 19 yds - Comp - 30 yd Gain1st & 10 - Downfield 30 yds - Comp - 44 yd TDInteresting that there are hardly any intermediate throws between 10 & 20. There was 1 of 19 yds. So it seems we are throwing very short or fairly deep. Counting the 19 yarder he attempted 6 passes of that length or more. Missed the 1st two, threw one pick and completed the other 3 with 1 going for a TD. It seems that the play action worked well even though I didn't note that I'm pretty sure at least 2 of those long completions came on play action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELdaBull Posted October 20, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 86 Content Count: 17,061 Reputation: 1,429 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/15/2005 Share Posted October 20, 2015 We need to use the play action more on 1st down. Completely messes up defense since EVERYONE is expecting us to run on 1st down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorcj Posted October 20, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 8,878 Reputation: 1,266 Days Won: 28 Joined: 07/12/2013 Share Posted October 20, 2015 We need to use the play action more on 1st down. Completely messes up defense since EVERYONE is expecting us to run on 1st down. Except the only way you fool 'em is if you run on nearly every first down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotsofbull99 Posted October 20, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 114 Content Count: 6,744 Reputation: 912 Days Won: 17 Joined: 02/17/2002 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Ronnie Banks or Quinton Flowers, who had the better first year as a starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull-Hornz Posted October 20, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 78 Content Count: 1,978 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/19/2007 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Man... Who really cares. Grothe was Grothe and Flowers is Flowers.As long as Flowers continues to grow and as a QB I'll be happyCome on man...QF will continue to blossom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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