Bear Posted October 14, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 56 Content Count: 4,425 Reputation: 710 Days Won: 19 Joined: 03/16/2013 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://www.nacubo.org/Business_Officer_Magazine/Business_Officer_Plus/Bonus_Material/College_Athletics_Necessary_Not_Just_Nice_to_Have.html This? This. Who is Robert Sternberg? And why do I care what he thinks. This is USF we are talking about. Not O(k)SU. Our situation is much closer to Ohio Univ. Oklahoma State University student athletic fees don't go to intercollegiate athletics (AFIK it's prohibited by state law) If they wish they can buy a all sports pass for $250. At Oklahoma University students can purchase season football tickets for $180. Men's Basketball tickets are $50, or a football/MBB combo is $215. All other sports are free. Again no student athletic fees can be used to support intercollegiate athletics. Sounds good. But that isn't USF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDYZR Posted October 14, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 486 Content Count: 12,462 Reputation: 2,843 Days Won: 25 Joined: 12/14/2005 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Do the student's have to pay to get into any of the games (e.g. football, basketball, baseball, etc.)? No.. it's all covered by the fees. They can attend any home game of any sport for free. ...And use of the Bull Runner to go to the games.. and now discounted parking.. and other perks. Why should they be paying if they have no interest in sports, or are unable to attend (IE: They are working to pay their tuition and FEES) those events? Why should I have to pay a public school fee (tax)? I don't have a child in public school? Or my homeowners association dues, I don't use the facilities... completely different situation. taxes and fees are not the same. Having an educated population is advantageous to a developed nation. In contrast, having college sports (poor product on field, paying previous coaches making money elsewhere) funded by the student population is rediculuous. How is that different? I choose to live where I live, a student CHOOSES to go to USF. If either one of us doesn't like the situation, Thank God, we have the right to change it. USF doesn't have a cost-effective program (and neither do most FBS schools). I don't support the irresponsible use of funds. Neither does government, and we still have choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted October 14, 2014 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,612 Content Count: 74,602 Reputation: 10,860 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Great. Student fees are paying for non-revenue producing sports... and coaches no longer working at USF. An institution of higher learning is invested in producing entertainment. How profitable is USF athletics, anyways? Are our degrees more valuable because Jimmy kicks a ball down the field? (remeber, we aren't Oregon or UF) Do you really think Oregon and UF's degrees are more valuable because Jimmy kicks a ball down the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellular1 Posted October 14, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 196 Content Count: 6,614 Reputation: 1,781 Days Won: 51 Joined: 07/04/2008 Share Posted October 14, 2014 There are many students that realistically have no other choice but to attend USF to earn a degree. Life is tough. Athletics helps drive attendance as well. Many young kids want to go to a school where they can experience CFB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted October 14, 2014 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,612 Content Count: 74,602 Reputation: 10,860 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Do the student's have to pay to get into any of the games (e.g. football, basketball, baseball, etc.)? No.. it's all covered by the fees. They can attend any home game of any sport for free. ...And use of the Bull Runner to go to the games.. and now discounted parking.. and other perks. Why should they be paying if they have no interest in sports, or are unable to attend (IE: They are working to pay their tuition and FEES) those events? Why should I have to pay a public school fee (tax)? I don't have a child in public school? Or my homeowners association dues, I don't use the facilities... completely different situation. taxes and fees are not the same. Having an educated population is advantageous to a developed nation. In contrast, having college sports (poor product on field, paying previous coaches making money elsewhere) funded by the student population is rediculuous. How is that different? I choose to live where I live, a student CHOOSES to go to USF. If either one of us doesn't like the situation, Thank God, we have the right to change it. We all have the right, but not all have the means to do so. That's what scholarships and community colleges are for ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellular1 Posted October 14, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 196 Content Count: 6,614 Reputation: 1,781 Days Won: 51 Joined: 07/04/2008 Share Posted October 14, 2014 There are many students that realistically have no other choice but to attend USF to earn a degree. Life is tough. Athletics helps drive attendance as well. Many young kids want to go to a school where they can experience CFB. Obviously, not many of go to USF! BOOM. You got me there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charsibb Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 653 Content Count: 31,049 Reputation: 2,487 Days Won: 172 Joined: 08/30/2011 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Great. Student fees are paying for non-revenue producing sports... and coaches no longer working at USF. An institution of higher learning is invested in producing entertainment. How profitable is USF athletics, anyways? Are our degrees more valuable because Jimmy kicks a ball down the field? (remeber, we aren't Oregon or UF) Do you really think Oregon and UF's degrees are more valuable because Jimmy kicks a ball down the field? Actually yes. Just look at USF's entry data since we launched football. It was in this very message board somewhere that I read that Judy had said football increased our academic standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charsibb Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 653 Content Count: 31,049 Reputation: 2,487 Days Won: 172 Joined: 08/30/2011 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Do the student's have to pay to get into any of the games (e.g. football, basketball, baseball, etc.)? No.. it's all covered by the fees. They can attend any home game of any sport for free. ...And use of the Bull Runner to go to the games.. and now discounted parking.. and other perks. Why should they be paying if they have no interest in sports, or are unable to attend (IE: They are working to pay their tuition and FEES) those events? Why should I have to pay a public school fee (tax)? I don't have a child in public school? Or my homeowners association dues, I don't use the facilities... You're being punished ... LOL As for the fees, they support more than football, they also support all the gyms and intramurals, etc. Just as with most student organizations, there is money made available from the university so the students don't have to pay. As others have pointed out, you are free to go to any school you can get in to, so it's not "really" a punishment, haha. If you go to college and don't partake in athletics, you're missing an important part of the body-mind-spirit development thing. So important, that Hans and Franz will be knocking on your door tomorrow at 5:30 AM... Attending games to watch other play is partaking in athletics???????? BTW, how much of the student athletics fees goes to intercollegiate athletics vs gyms and intramural sports? Huh? I don't know, but it doesn't really matter. A contract is a contract. The school has rules, and if you don't like them, go elsewhere, or try to use a rational argument to try to change them. Emotional appeals (sarcasm, etc) make one feel good while venting, but rarely are successfull in persuading others to your viewpoint. The fact that nearly 10,000 students willingly and knowingly sign on to the system every year says you're probably a small minority view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 83 Content Count: 1,720 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/11/2011 Share Posted October 15, 2014 USF gets students to pay more for athletics…meanwhile USF is paying millions of dollars a year to current and former coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted October 15, 2014 Group: Member Topic Count: 56 Content Count: 4,425 Reputation: 710 Days Won: 19 Joined: 03/16/2013 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Do the student's have to pay to get into any of the games (e.g. football, basketball, baseball, etc.)? No.. it's all covered by the fees. They can attend any home game of any sport for free. ...And use of the Bull Runner to go to the games.. and now discounted parking.. and other perks. Why should they be paying if they have no interest in sports, or are unable to attend (IE: They are working to pay their tuition and FEES) those events? Why should I have to pay a public school fee (tax)? I don't have a child in public school? Or my homeowners association dues, I don't use the facilities... completely different situation. taxes and fees are not the same. Having an educated population is advantageous to a developed nation. In contrast, having college sports (poor product on field, paying previous coaches making money elsewhere) funded by the student population is rediculuous. How is that different? I choose to live where I live, a student CHOOSES to go to USF. If either one of us doesn't like the situation, Thank God, we have the right to change it. USF doesn't have a cost-effective program (and neither do most FBS schools). I don't support the irresponsible use of funds. Neither does government, and we still have choices. US is back-to-back World War Champions... USF still has yet to win anything of notoriety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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