Outlaw Posted June 23, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 12,641 Reputation: 3,329 Days Won: 25 Joined: 10/16/2017 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Another issue we can't just use GPA because a lot students were given grades during covid for simply logging in and doing ZERO work. It will take years to correct the issues with some students that you have to work to earn grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarnozdabull Posted June 23, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 95 Content Count: 2,433 Reputation: 883 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2009 Share Posted June 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said: 1. Well, there are two tests... and in half the country, the other one is more popular. 2. And those same privileges help regardless whether a standardized test is required or not. 3. Perhaps LSAT, GMAT, MCAT and other graduate placement tests should also be abandoned an just use university performance and rankings for admittance into graduate, law, and medical schools? 1. Ok, for the two (now three?) tests to rule them all. 2. Agreed! Hence why we should consider student performance and school ranking rather than a standardized test score. IMO, If a poor student went to a crappy school with low resources but still showed the drive to outperform his/her peers and ranked highly in his/her class but got a low ACT/SAT score, they should have priority over some low or middle-of-the-pack student at a rich school whose parents were able to afford an SAT/ACT tutor to drill standardized content for the sake of a high score on a test. I don't know, to me, personal drive is more important than socioeconomic privilege. Regardless, it's definitely not apples to apples. 3. I was discussing undergrad, not grad school. That's a different conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Posted June 23, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 12,641 Reputation: 3,329 Days Won: 25 Joined: 10/16/2017 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, zarnozdabull said: 1. Ok, for the two (now three?) tests to rule them all. 2. Agreed! Hence why we should consider student performance and school ranking rather than a standardized test score. IMO, If a poor student went to a crappy school with low resources but still showed the drive to outperform his/her peers and ranked highly in his/her class but got a low ACT/SAT score, they should have priority over some low or middle-of-the-pack student at a rich school whose parents were able to afford an SAT/ACT tutor to drill standardized content for the sake of a high score on a test. I don't know, to me, personal drive is more important than socioeconomic privilege. Regardless, it's definitely not apples to apples. 3. I was discussing undergrad, not grad school. That's a different conversation. What about kids just given free grade for a year and half because of covid? It spiked a lot of GPAS when the kids were testing performance was far below grade level? I think all points are valid other than high school grades. College grades matter especially for applying for specialized degrees. I have heard from a few professors they had to pass students during covid and I know by experience they were passed in grades schools without doing any work with A's even. Edited June 23, 2023 by Outlaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTrue Posted June 23, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 152 Content Count: 19,395 Reputation: 6,097 Days Won: 233 Joined: 01/13/2011 Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Another issue we can't just use GPA because a lot students were given grades during covid for simply logging in and doing ZERO work. It will take years to correct the issues with some students that you have to work to earn grades. Grade inflation is straight insanity in HS right now and it is the absolute worst at "good" schools. Standardized testing is incredibly flawed, but it is infinitely better than grades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Posted June 23, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 12,641 Reputation: 3,329 Days Won: 25 Joined: 10/16/2017 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JTrue said: Grade inflation is straight insanity in HS right now and it is the absolute worst at "good" schools. Standardized testing is incredibly flawed, but it is infinitely better than grades. I know and agree with you. So how do you determine what the students know other than a standardized test? Edited June 23, 2023 by Outlaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USF_Bullsharks Posted June 23, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 11 Content Count: 883 Reputation: 481 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/24/2021 Share Posted June 23, 2023 So when do the Board of Governors get together again and will our debt offering be in their agenda? The vote is largely considered a formality, but imagine we can only go so far with construction/prep without the official approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted June 23, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,143 Reputation: 4,648 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted June 23, 2023 This is a bummer. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm101 Posted June 23, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 173 Content Count: 7,008 Reputation: 2,262 Days Won: 12 Joined: 06/11/2010 Share Posted June 23, 2023 back to the topic, yes I too would like to know what this means. @John Lewis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Glaser Posted June 23, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 360 Content Count: 4,183 Reputation: 2,577 Days Won: 56 Joined: 02/01/2005 Share Posted June 23, 2023 So when does the Florida legislature hold its formal secession vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
79 Bull Posted June 23, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 687 Content Count: 7,660 Reputation: 1,220 Days Won: 6 Joined: 07/10/2003 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Anyone else concerned the OCS approval was not on the agenda? Forgive me if this is discussed somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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