The Sheriff Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 721 Content Count: 6,754 Reputation: 806 Days Won: 19 Joined: 12/24/2001 Share Posted November 18, 2019 My two cents. Charlie inherited a ranked team (11-2 the year before), under performed in year one, and failed to build on the momentum of Willie Taggart. That 2017 team was the strongest team we've had in our history with respect to our schedule. Strong is now knee deep in his own **** due to poor recruiting, some bad luck and his own lack of tolerance with the guys that were already in the program. Scott Frost inherited a terrible 4-8 team that lost six of their last seven and beat no one of stature in 2017. He then lost his first six games while dealing with a bunch of malcontents in 2018. The scraped out a couple of wins to close out the year, however they are far from a finished product. If these two coaches are on an escalator, Frost is slowly going up while Strong is coming down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, brybull1970 said: So that takes us to 2023 for the turnaround - at the earliest - and that's right before we should expect that Big 12 to implode. So instead of building a several year track record of performance and growing fan base, we will have two tops. This is why waiting to for CCS is an 9 figure mistake. Kelly needs to go all in now to build the track record UCF has over the last 3-4 years so when the conference realignment happens we are in as good of a position as possible. The lack of understanding how short term decisions tie to long term goals and vision on this board is alarming. Questionable whether anything happens to the Big12. If it does we will be part of the scrapes of new conference that is not P5 (with our neighbors to the north). No one from the AAC is going P4. We will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Some of you mention that Strong underperformed. Couldn’t the same be said for Willie’s final season here? Edited November 18, 2019 by OcalaBull2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,272 Reputation: 6,158 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, OcalaBull2 said: You mention that Strong underperformed. Couldn’t the same be said about Willie his final season here going by your standards? No because CWT left after his one good season that means he would be eternally great despite all evidence to the contrary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullstampede9922 Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 12 Content Count: 1,502 Reputation: 562 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/24/2013 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, brybull1970 said: So that takes us to 2023 for the turnaround - at the earliest - and that's right before we should expect that Big 12 to implode. So instead of building a several year track record of performance and growing fan base, we will have two tops. This is why waiting to for CCS is an 9 figure mistake. Kelly needs to go all in now to build the track record UCF has over the last 3-4 years so when the conference realignment happens we are in as good of a position as possible. The lack of understanding how short term decisions tie to long term goals and vision on this board is alarming. Easier said then done. I hope one of you hits the lottery to pay his buyout. This is USF, not FSU. There won't be any loaded donors stepping forward to throw away money for Strong to be replaced. If there was, we'd all ready have an IPF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, The Sheriff said: My two cents. Charlie inherited a ranked team (11-2 the year before), under performed in year one, and failed to build on the momentum of Willie Taggart. That 2017 team was the strongest team we've had in our history with respect to our schedule. Strong is now knee deep in his own **** due to poor recruiting, some bad luck and his own lack of tolerance with the guys that were already in the program. Scott Frost inherited a terrible 4-8 team that lost six of their last seven and beat no one of stature in 2017. He then lost his first six games while dealing with a bunch of malcontents in 2018. The scraped out a couple of wins to close out the year, however they are far from a finished product. If these two coaches are on an escalator, Frost is slowly going up while Strong is coming down. Cronkrite, Sails, Macon, Roberts, Joiner Jr., RSF, Sanders, Barnett (who was inconsistent, but still solid for how little he actually played in college and lack of an offensive line) etc. Let’s also not forget that we have one of the top defenses in the nation right now. I’m sure those are all Taggart’s guys, though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorbull325 Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 119 Content Count: 6,571 Reputation: 2,749 Days Won: 28 Joined: 09/02/2014 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghostbuster said: What did Scott Frost accomplish in 3 years at a measly AAC team coming off a winless season? What did Strong do in 3 years after taking over a high octane winning program? Yeah I bet you don't like those type of Scott Frost comparisons now do you. Scott Frost Nebraska record is worse than Taggarts record at FSU. Nebraska recruiting ranking for 2017 - #23, 2018 - #23, 2019 - #18 and they has had a top 25 recruiting class since 2017....they shouldn't be that bad. Edited November 18, 2019 by Gatorbull325 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, bullstampede9922 said: Easier said then done. I hope one of you hits the lottery to pay his buyout. This is USF, not FSU. There won't be any loaded donors stepping forward to throw away money for Strong to be replaced. If there was, we'd all ready have an IPF. Ah yes, perfect. Thank you for pointing this out. So then it should go without saying that we can’t just throw away coaches at the disposal of some of these big schools, and that means we actually might have to give coaches more than 2 or 3 years every time we don’t see the results we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeItOrLeavitt Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 45 Content Count: 1,235 Reputation: 258 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/04/2003 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, brybull1970 said: If by top defenses you mean ranked #57 then sure "top" its is. Exactly what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OcalaBull2 Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,322 Reputation: 775 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/02/2016 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, brybull1970 said: If by top defenses you mean ranked #57 then sure "top" its is. Tied for 47* and 3rd in our conference. That’s with the Wisconsin game factored in. If you can’t see that this defense has improved under Strong’s time here then take off the blinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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