Taggart and losing culture.....

[JTrue]

12 minutes ago, puc86 said:

If he hadn’t been coaching a decade then sure but he has at some point you have to be measured by some of the standards coaches are typically measured by. 

Height?

[Rocky Style]

28 minutes ago, Bulls On Parade said:

I am sure if he was here for the TT game he would have gotten his first bowl win.

Safe assumption, but just saying we don't actually know that. 

[Rocky Style]

22 minutes ago, Bulls On Parade said:

Oh yea, forgot that game your right.

That USC game was an epic nail biter.  Who knows if he would have won that one either.

[puc86]

29 minutes ago, JTrue said:

Height?

I believe he is above average on that one so probably not a bad choice.

[puc86]

37 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Winning exhibition games should be pretty low on that measuring standards list .... Keep focusing on the skewed overall record. That serves you better.

How is someone’s overall record over a decade skewed? He has an overall losing record at Western Kentucky, an overall losing record at USF and overall losing record at FSU. His one winning record is one season at Oregon. If overall is skewed and segmented overalls are skewed how would you like to look at it? Only seasons where he won?

[Bull94]

6 minutes ago, puc86 said:

How is someone’s overall record over a decade skewed? He has an overall losing record at Western Kentucky, an overall losing record at USF and overall losing record at FSU. His one winning record is one season at Oregon. If overall is skewed and segmented overalls are skewed how would you like to look at it? Only seasons where he won?

that's what happens when you rebuild programs.

[puc86]

1 minute ago, Bull94 said:

that's what happens when you rebuild programs.

Can you define rebuilt for me? 

[BDYZR]

Western Kentucky - In their first year under Taggart, the Hilltoppers broke a 26-game losing streak.

USF - In his first season, Taggart led the Bulls to a 2–10 season. In 2016, the Bulls went 10–2 and won a share of the AAC East division. This was the Bulls first double digit win season in school history.

Oregon - Oregon went 7-5 overall in 2017 with Taggart at the reins. 

FSU - On December 5, 2017, Taggart accepted the head coaching job at Florida State, replacing Jimbo Fisher.

In his first season, the Seminoles finished 5-7, their first losing season since 1976, Bobby Bowden's first year. They were not invited to a bowl for the first time since the end of the 1981 season, breaking the longest active bowl appearance streak in FBS. Despite the lackluster season, school president John Thrasher and athletic director Dave Coburn voiced confidence in Taggart. According to a story in Bleacher Report, Florida State had bottomed out in 2018 due in part to cultural problems dating from Fisher's tenure. Additionally, under Fisher's tenure, the FSU APR was the worst in the FBS, further complicating the rebuilding issues Taggart faced.

 

[puc86]

6 minutes ago, BDYZR said:

Western Kentucky - In their first year under Taggart, the Hilltoppers broke a 26-game losing streak.

USF - In his first season, Taggart led the Bulls to a 2–10 season. In 2016, the Bulls went 10–2 and won a share of the AAC East division. This was the Bulls first double digit win season in school history.

Oregon - Oregon went 7-5 overall in 2017 with Taggart at the reins. 

FSU - On December 5, 2017, Taggart accepted the head coaching job at Florida State, replacing Jimbo Fisher.

In his first season, the Seminoles finished 5-7, their first losing season since 1976, Bobby Bowden's first year. They were not invited to a bowl for the first time since the end of the 1981 season, breaking the longest active bowl appearance streak in FBS. Despite the lackluster season, school president John Thrasher and athletic director Dave Coburn voiced confidence in Taggart. According to a story in Bleacher Report, Florida State had bottomed out in 2018 due in part to cultural problems dating from Fisher's tenure. Additionally, under Fisher's tenure, the FSU APR was the worst in the FBS, further complicating the rebuilding issues Taggart faced.

 

So he made two teams worse and took one team that lost them all and managed two wins. What if what he did here was have a good year but wasn’t sustainable. Is it a rebuild if it falls apart right away? CCS had a good year his only year with flowers as well. Who did CWT have in his stacked cupboard to replace Flowers? CWT had a great season (granted we beat absolutely no one) but then he immediately left, no one denies that the season was good and they didn’t want him to leave when he did but is it completely unreasonable to question if one good season does a rebuild make?

[BDYZR]

4 minutes ago, puc86 said:

So he made two teams worse and took one team that lost them all and managed two wins. What if what he did here was have a good year but wasn’t sustainable. Is it a rebuild if it falls apart right away? CCS had a good year his only year with flowers as well. Who did CWT have in his stacked cupboard to replace Flowers? CWT had a great season (granted we beat absolutely no one) but then he immediately left, no one denies that the season was good and they didn’t want him to leave when he did but is it completely unreasonable to question if one good season does a rebuild make?

Which two did he make worse when 2 of the 4 had better records when he left, 1 had a better record than the year before he got there, and the last one we don't know the answer to?