snarling Bull Posted November 11, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 35 Content Count: 6,574 Reputation: 237 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/19/2006 Share Posted November 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, SoFlo All Day said: Regardless of how the next three games go (they wont be pretty lol) I think MK is going to have some really tough decisions to make this offseason about football. I think it will come down to a combo of different factors on and off the field. 1. If I'm MK, Im really worried on how a 6 game losing streak to end the year stalls momentum on the fundraising side and buy-in from donors to the program. We've worked hard to get donor momentum back on track and it feels like we are letting it slip away by losing and not playing well. MK's legacy will be how he builds up the football facilities - any threat to that should be taken seriously. 2. Charlie isn't MK's "guy" - We are effectively in a Holtz year 2 scenario here. The team has a big win early on (ND for Holtz - GT for Charlie) - regresses as the year goes on, isn't ever ready to play and cant finish games, and limps to a crappy finish (Holtz year 2 was 5-7). We made the terrible decision to re-sign Holtz only to fire him the next year and then saddle ourselves with an annoying buyout. Does MK really want to replay that scenario with Charlie?? If he does, then he is essentially tying his job to Charlie's success and given how CCS has coached here the past two seasons, that is very risky. Dont give me that 17-5 crap either. Going 2-5 against teams with a pulse isnt cutting it. Not to mention - we should be 6-4, 5-5, or worse this year. 3. The cost of cutting Charlie loose this season is dirt cheap (even for us). $200k to remove someone who is hurting the momentum of the fanbase for someone that you handpicked is an interesting proposition. Not to mention, Charlie will be very expensive to keep going forward and anyone who can stomach giving Sterlin Gilbert a raise after these past two seasons shouldn't be anywhere near a football program. I hope MK lets this entire coaching staff go - going 17-8 across two seasons sounds great, but this staff is equivalent to an overvalued stock because of the coach's name, prior successes, and the fact that they won most of their games against garbage opponents. If you take a deeper look at the stats then the picture is pretty clear. Also, the value of any type of investment should be in the expected future value, not a backwards looking statistic like W/L. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBULL_08 Posted November 11, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 48 Content Count: 2,345 Reputation: 661 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/29/2009 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoFlo All Day said: Regardless of how the next three games go (they wont be pretty lol) I think MK is going to have some really tough decisions to make this offseason about football. I think it will come down to a combo of different factors on and off the field. 1. If I'm MK, Im really worried on how a 6 game losing streak to end the year stalls momentum on the fundraising side and buy-in from donors to the program. We've worked hard to get donor momentum back on track and it feels like we are letting it slip away by losing and not playing well. MK's legacy will be how he builds up the football facilities - any threat to that should be taken seriously. 2. Charlie isn't MK's "guy" - We are effectively in a Holtz year 2 scenario here. The team has a big win early on (ND for Holtz - GT for Charlie) - regresses as the year goes on, isn't ever ready to play and cant finish games, and limps to a crappy finish (Holtz year 2 was 5-7). We made the terrible decision to re-sign Holtz only to fire him the next year and then saddle ourselves with an annoying buyout. Does MK really want to replay that scenario with Charlie?? If he does, then he is essentially tying his job to Charlie's success and given how CCS has coached here the past two seasons, that is very risky. Dont give me that 17-5 crap either. Going 2-5 against teams with a pulse isnt cutting it. Not to mention - we should be 6-4, 5-5, or worse this year. 3. The cost of cutting Charlie loose this season is dirt cheap (even for us). $200k to remove someone who is hurting the momentum of the fanbase for someone that you handpicked is an interesting proposition. Not to mention, Charlie will be very expensive to keep going forward and anyone who can stomach giving Sterlin Gilbert a raise after these past two seasons shouldn't be anywhere near a football program. I hope MK lets this entire coaching staff go - going 17-8 across two seasons sounds great, but this staff is equivalent to an overvalued stock because of the coach's name, prior successes, and the fact that they won most of their games against garbage opponents. If you take a deeper look at the stats then the picture is pretty clear. Also, the value of any type of investment should be in the expected future value, not a backwards looking statistic like W/L. Kelly is gonna need a huge set on him to let Strong go. I imagine it would be scrutinized heavily in the media. Edited November 11, 2018 by USFBULL_08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchem1995 Posted November 11, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 51 Content Count: 3,353 Reputation: 1,099 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/02/2014 Share Posted November 11, 2018 If I’m MK I sit Chuck down and tell him with a chest poke and say , “ you better f@cking beat Temple.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted November 11, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, jchem1995 said: If I’m MK I sit Chuck down and tell him with a chest poke and say , “ you better f@cking beat Temple.” Kelly might get punched out LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullsfan27 Posted November 11, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 193 Content Count: 5,261 Reputation: 547 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I think MK needs to make Charlie make the first move. If Charlie makes no changes then u see how things start out next year and if the team shows no progress early on u dump strong and immediately start looking for a replacement. This time you go with a young OC that has proven results with his offense. Orlando has done this and has blown right past us so its time for us to wake up or we will be left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Havoc Posted November 11, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 6,181 Reputation: 1,442 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/12/2011 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said: Kelly might get punched out LOL That would make firing CCs a lot easier and cheaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted November 11, 2018 Group: Admin Topic Count: 13,330 Content Count: 97,047 Reputation: 10,834 Days Won: 469 Joined: 05/19/2000 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, El_Toro_86 said: Pray there isn’t realignment anytime soon or C. Will leave us in the dust. Thankfully, as our President was getting beat at the Big East poker table, she negotiated a bond with then-C-USA UCF to take us with them wherever they go. Hopefully upward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmodi Posted November 12, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 12 Content Count: 3,233 Reputation: 1,169 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/17/2013 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, USFBULL_08 said: Kelly is gonna need a huge set on him to let Strong go. I imagine it would be scrutinized heavily in the media. The media, LMAO. They'll probably call out UCF for it. It's not like they're writing a ton of articles about South Florida anyway. Edited November 12, 2018 by Azmodi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchem1995 Posted November 12, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 51 Content Count: 3,353 Reputation: 1,099 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/02/2014 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Azmodi said: The media, LMAO. They'll probably call out UCF for it. It's not like they're writing a ton of articles about South Florida anyway. Tom Jones on the CCS hire “ Meh.” So there’s that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usfgrad84 Posted November 13, 2018 Group: Member Topic Count: 246 Content Count: 6,348 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 8 Joined: 05/25/2006 Share Posted November 13, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 1:43 PM, SoFlo All Day said: Regardless of how the next three games go (they wont be pretty lol) I think MK is going to have some really tough decisions to make this offseason about football. I think it will come down to a combo of different factors on and off the field. 1. If I'm MK, Im really worried on how a 6 game losing streak to end the year stalls momentum on the fundraising side and buy-in from donors to the program. We've worked hard to get donor momentum back on track and it feels like we are letting it slip away by losing and not playing well. MK's legacy will be how he builds up the football facilities - any threat to that should be taken seriously. 2. Charlie isn't MK's "guy" - We are effectively in a Holtz year 2 scenario here. The team has a big win early on (ND for Holtz - GT for Charlie) - regresses as the year goes on, isn't ever ready to play and cant finish games, and limps to a crappy finish (Holtz year 2 was 5-7). We made the terrible decision to re-sign Holtz only to fire him the next year and then saddle ourselves with an annoying buyout. Does MK really want to replay that scenario with Charlie?? If he does, then he is essentially tying his job to Charlie's success and given how CCS has coached here the past two seasons, that is very risky. Dont give me that 17-5 crap either. Going 2-5 against teams with a pulse isnt cutting it. Not to mention - we should be 6-4, 5-5, or worse this year. 3. The cost of cutting Charlie loose this season is dirt cheap (even for us). $200k to remove someone who is hurting the momentum of the fanbase for someone that you handpicked is an interesting proposition. Not to mention, Charlie will be very expensive to keep going forward and anyone who can stomach giving Sterlin Gilbert a raise after these past two seasons shouldn't be anywhere near a football program. I hope MK lets this entire coaching staff go - going 17-8 across two seasons sounds great, but this staff is equivalent to an overvalued stock because of the coach's name, prior successes, and the fact that they won most of their games against garbage opponents. If you take a deeper look at the stats then the picture is pretty clear. Also, the value of any type of investment should be in the expected future value, not a backwards looking statistic like W/L. I am not of the mind to fire Strong, but if accurate, point #3 about the buyout being only $200K and not being Kelly’s hire could be a big factor in decion making. Depends on what kind of pressure the donors are putting on Kelly and how the fundraising is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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