Flowers is the Starter

[CousinRicky]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't consider myself a tin foil hat guy, heck I am a scientist by trade and its my job to think critically. As I have stated before, in the past CWT has kept SB off the field when it was clear he was the better option and he has never answered questions as to why. This is why many of us believe something doesnt add up...no conspiracies just taking the facts into account. I want CWT to work out bc I believe what he had done recruiting wise is nothing short of amazing. It needs to show on the field though otherwise he is no head coach.

 

 

How is this clear?  If you're a scientist and experienced in critical thinking, you would think you'd want to look at the data...

 

Mike White 122-242 50.4% 8 TD 7 INT 112.4 rating

Steven Bench 49-100 49.0% 3 TD 2 INT 106.2 rating

 

The whole anti-Bench conspiracy thing is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board, and there are a great many to choose from.

 

 

It only seems stupid if you don't know how QBs have graded out in games and in practice (by the coaches) over the last 2 years and then see the decisions that are made at selecting starting QBs.  I admit that I hear the numbers from one side of the equation but the numbers should be the same from both parties.

 

honestly I can't imagine that he graded out all that much higher. none of them did very well in games according to their stats . not sure what they grade on but it couldn't be QB rating or any other such metric because he was not any better.

 

if that's the case then you go with the younger guy in hopes that the experience will pay off in the future.

 

I once talked to a TEs dad at a game and he was livid the way Leavitt used him. Didn't think he was thrown the ball enough. Thought he was used as a blocker to much. The kid was a pretty big part of the team as well.

 

no parent ever thinks little johnny gets a fair shake.

 

 

That would normally be true if your job was secure and the guy that is going to start next year is already sitting on your bench and not playing.

 

 

 

Bench was given every opportunity to take the QB job his first 2 years. He showed that he wasn't all that much better than the younger guys behind him. If that's the case, you go with youth as you hope the experience will better prepare them for the future. Especially when rebuilding a program. Bench played  before both Flowers and White. He obviously wasn't the answer for the future. Wasn't as good a passer as White and wasn't as good a runner as Flowers. He didn't grab hold of the job like Grothe, Blackwell, Daniels did in their redshirt freshman years.

 

Taggart goes 6-6 this year with a true sophomore QB and people get excited about the future. He goes 6-6 this year with a senior QB and we're back to the drawing board on offense. I think Taggart is safe this year unless we absolutely implode. He is bringing in some serious talent and he looks like he is willing to do whatever it takes to win (i.e. changing philosophies and coaches).

 

 

Pretty sure Bench got hurt in his first start.  Then missed a few games.  Then came in in relief after an injury to one of the QBs after not practicing in weeks.  He threw a pick or 2 in the game where he came in cold and Tags benched him being pissed off about the interceptions.  So not sure where the "every opportunity" comes from.

 

Edit: He hadn't taken practice snaps in weeks - especially with the first team.

 

Edit again:  I'm going to stop trying to defend the kid.  Everyone has their thoughts. I'm probably a bit closer (maybe too close) to the situation than most.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Bourbon Bull

[George_Bullnard_Shaw]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't consider myself a tin foil hat guy, heck I am a scientist by trade and its my job to think critically. As I have stated before, in the past CWT has kept SB off the field when it was clear he was the better option and he has never answered questions as to why. This is why many of us believe something doesnt add up...no conspiracies just taking the facts into account. I want CWT to work out bc I believe what he had done recruiting wise is nothing short of amazing. It needs to show on the field though otherwise he is no head coach.

 

 

How is this clear?  If you're a scientist and experienced in critical thinking, you would think you'd want to look at the data...

 

Mike White 122-242 50.4% 8 TD 7 INT 112.4 rating

Steven Bench 49-100 49.0% 3 TD 2 INT 106.2 rating

 

The whole anti-Bench conspiracy thing is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board, and there are a great many to choose from.

 

 

It only seems stupid if you don't know how QBs have graded out in games and in practice (by the coaches) over the last 2 years and then see the decisions that are made at selecting starting QBs.  I admit that I hear the numbers from one side of the equation but the numbers should be the same from both parties.

 

honestly I can't imagine that he graded out all that much higher. none of them did very well in games according to their stats . not sure what they grade on but it couldn't be QB rating or any other such metric because he was not any better.

 

if that's the case then you go with the younger guy in hopes that the experience will pay off in the future.

 

I once talked to a TEs dad at a game and he was livid the way Leavitt used him. Didn't think he was thrown the ball enough. Thought he was used as a blocker to much. The kid was a pretty big part of the team as well.

 

no parent ever thinks little johnny gets a fair shake.

 

 

That would normally be true if your job was secure and the guy that is going to start next year is already sitting on your bench and not playing.

 

 

 

Bench was given every opportunity to take the QB job his first 2 years. He showed that he wasn't all that much better than the younger guys behind him. If that's the case, you go with youth as you hope the experience will better prepare them for the future. Especially when rebuilding a program. Bench played  before both Flowers and White. He obviously wasn't the answer for the future. Wasn't as good a passer as White and wasn't as good a runner as Flowers. He didn't grab hold of the job like Grothe, Blackwell, Daniels did in their redshirt freshman years.

 

Taggart goes 6-6 this year with a true sophomore QB and people get excited about the future. He goes 6-6 this year with a senior QB and we're back to the drawing board on offense. I think Taggart is safe this year unless we absolutely implode. He is bringing in some serious talent and he looks like he is willing to do whatever it takes to win (i.e. changing philosophies and coaches).

 

 

Pretty sure Bench got hurt in his first start.  Then missed a few games.  Then came in in relief after an injury to one of the QBs after not practicing in weeks.  He threw a pick or 2 in the game where he came in cold and Tags benched him being pissed off about the interceptions.  So not sure where the "every opportunity" comes from.

 

Edit: He hadn't taken practice snaps in weeks - especially with the first team.

 

 

As I recall White got the first team snaps, Bench got leftovers and started against harder teams when White was out, to be quickly pulled for a performance about the same as White. There sadly is no apples to apples comparison here for Bill Nye and Neil Tyson to do repeatable publishable experiments with.

 

Edited August 26, 2015 by George_Bullnard_Shaw

[Bull-Hornz]

Hahaha...that got everyone riled up. Glad I can keep the hits coming....only 11 days left   

 

I would not go as far as to say that CWT dislikes Bench, I don't know either of them personally. Sry to those who have read this already, but CWT had QF start with ~10 plays in his book, kept MW in after throwing numerous INT's and played with a fractured wrist making it difficult to take snaps and accurate throws bc of fear of getting hit. These are perfectly legitimate reasons to start SB but he chose not too. Furthermore I recall seeing several SB INTs happen when he was put in after the score was lopsided and he was forcing things to make a comeback. The flipside of that is when he did get an opportunity to start he did not take advantage of it. If my memory serves me, even that week he did not get a full week of reps with the #1s b/c he had to split it with a hurt MW. Still we have seen gamers step up at USF and take their spot. 

 

Btw I was not suggesting that being a scientist explicitly means that I am always right lol. Just that those of us who analyze CWT decisions, such as whether or not to start SB, and believe that there is more to it when he is the obvious choice, doesn't mean you are some nut who doesn't know how to think. 

[Triple B]

 

 

 

Why does everyone think Taggart dislikes Bench?

It's not everyone, just some of the ones who don't think Taggart is the one to take us to the next level ... something else for them to whine about.

I don't consider myself a tin foil hat guy, heck I am a scientist by trade and its my job to think critically. As I have stated before, in the past CWT has kept SB off the field when it was clear he was the better option and he has never answered questions as to why. This is why many of us believe something doesnt add up...no conspiracies just taking the facts into account. I want CWT to work out bc I believe what he had done recruiting wise is nothing short of amazing. It needs to show on the field though otherwise he is no head coach.

I believe in Aliens, Illuminati, Bildeburg, Ghosts, and things such as Bigfoot. I also think ancient aliens is the best show on TV.

Not even joking

 

 

I was with you up to the best show pick .... Mountain Monsters, hands down.

[Who'sYourData?]

 

 

I don't consider myself a tin foil hat guy, heck I am a scientist by trade and its my job to think critically. As I have stated before, in the past CWT has kept SB off the field when it was clear he was the better option and he has never answered questions as to why. This is why many of us believe something doesnt add up...no conspiracies just taking the facts into account. I want CWT to work out bc I believe what he had done recruiting wise is nothing short of amazing. It needs to show on the field though otherwise he is no head coach.

 

 

How is this clear?  If you're a scientist and experienced in critical thinking, you would think you'd want to look at the data...

 

Mike White 122-242 50.4% 8 TD 7 INT 112.4 rating

Steven Bench 49-100 49.0% 3 TD 2 INT 106.2 rating

 

The whole anti-Bench conspiracy thing is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board, and there are a great many to choose from.

 

 

Yeah, but you are missing a bunch of critical data.  Most of it being that White got many more practice reps the times he was on the field while in a few of Bench's "opportunities" he was thrust into the job after getting few reps all week in practice.  

 

But you will believe what you want to believe.  The fact that Taggart pushed a very obviously overmatched and unprepared QF onto the field last years speaks volumes about his love affair with QF "potential" vs his Taggart's ability to be objective.

[hm101]

Should be bench

http://www.voodoofive.com/2015/2/23/8089055/steven-bench-final-season-usf-spring-practice

[Who'sYourData?]

 

Bench was given every opportunity to take the QB job his first 2 years. 

 

That is an absolutely false statement.  Giving a guy one game after the other QB took most of the reps in practice is giving him "every opportunity".

[Bull-Hornz]

Should be bench

http://www.voodoofive.com/2015/2/23/8089055/steven-bench-final-season-usf-spring-practice

That's was a good read and echos what many of us are referring too. Thx for posting.

[Bull-Hornz]

http://m.gousfbulls.com/mobile/ViewArticle.dbml?atclid=210292401&DB_OEM_ID=7700&

Also a good read on Wanky. Rooting for ya too brother!!

[NessUSF]

Found this on Youtube. It's highlights from the USF vs. SMU game last year where QF started.

 

I like what I see from Quinton. I'm happy wish this decision. He made some good throws out there...