Elijah Ironside QB Hillgrove High School, Powder Springs GA

[slick1ru2]

 

 

High school performance counts for about 1% and the other 99% is projectability. It seems people who get paid to have an opinion think he has a very limited ceiling.

When you read about players like Kaepernick lucking into a scholarship you know the system isn't perfect by any means.  And its not signing day yet. 

 

 

And for every Kaepernick there are a few hundred that get an opportunity to walk on and never even earn a scholly.  No, the system isn't perfect.  But the world is getting smaller every year.  There are a lot less guys sneaking through the cracks than there used to be.

 

You want to know why he isn't getting more looks? He hasn't done well in camps, only in games. For some strange reason, the system now puts more emphasis on a camp than game environments. He didn't play that much as a Junior, but even still his records are impressive. He is in the record books, top 10 of all GA QBs for most TDs thrown in a season. He's thrown 39 TDs, a staggering number when at this level 20 is common. If he didn't go out that last game in the first half with a concussion and thrown 1 more TD he'd only be the 7th in GA high school history to throw 40 TDs in a season.  He's 20-3 as a starter in two seasons and thrown 61 TDs. He's smart and decisive in games, but the camps aren't his forte. So yeah, scouts can be wrong, the system has shifted to camps and that most definitely is questionable. 3 colleges have shown interest as of a couple of weeks ago, Air Force being the only FBS.

Edited December 7, 2013 by slick1ru2

[SANJAY]

College coaches are not basing scholarship offers solely on camps. Or even primarily. Kid has huge statistics at a high level in Georgia but he can't get offered because he performed poorly at some 7-on-7 flag football event last summer? Not likely at all.

[slick1ru2]

College coaches are not basing scholarship offers solely on camps. Or even primarily. Kid has huge statistics at a high level in Georgia but he can't get offered because he performed poorly at some 7-on-7 flag football event last summer? Not likely at all.

 

Were you there? If not, its not likely at all you'd know what's going on.

 

He played 2 more game after this article. He's 21-4 in two seasons (not a full season last year)

 

http://mdjonline.com/bookmark/24099957

Edited December 7, 2013 by slick1ru2

[Who'sYourData?]

 

 

 

High school performance counts for about 1% and the other 99% is projectability. It seems people who get paid to have an opinion think he has a very limited ceiling.

When you read about players like Kaepernick lucking into a scholarship you know the system isn't perfect by any means.  And its not signing day yet. 

 

 

And for every Kaepernick there are a few hundred that get an opportunity to walk on and never even earn a scholly.  No, the system isn't perfect.  But the world is getting smaller every year.  There are a lot less guys sneaking through the cracks than there used to be.

 

You want to know why he isn't getting more looks? He hasn't done well in camps, only in games. For some strange reason, the system now puts more emphasis on a camp than game environments. He didn't play that much as a Junior, but even still his records are impressive. He is in the record books, top 10 of all GA QBs for most TDs thrown in a season. He's thrown 39 TDs, a staggering number when at this level 20 is common. If he didn't go out that last game in the first half with a concussion and thrown 1 more TD he'd only be the 7th in GA high school history to throw 40 TDs in a season.  He's 20-3 as a starter in two seasons and thrown 61 TDs. He's smart and decisive in games, but the camps aren't his forte. So yeah, scouts can be wrong, the system has shifted to camps and that most definitely is questionable. 3 colleges have shown interest as of a couple of weeks ago, Air Force being the only FBS.

 

 

Here's the deal.  At a camp a college coach gets to see a couple of hundred kids, if not more.  If CWT, for example, wants to scout Ironside in person he'd have to travel to Georgia during the middle of the week during football season.  He could spend a minimum of four or five hours to travel to Georgia (not to mention the expense) when there is exactly one kid on the field he might offer.

 

He can spend the same amount of time at a camp and watch a couple of dozen kids closely.  Same goes for any of the coaches on staff.

 

Which scenario is a better use of time?

 

Sure they will follow by going to the games of high priority kids that they can reasonably get to on Friday nights.  Really, the only reason high school games hold any significance at all for recruiting is that high school is about the only time you can see them in real game situations.  In every other sport, 99.9% of recruiting is done and camps and club tournaments.  No college coach is going to waste their time going to high school games, or watching high school film when the kids they are recruiting are far better than the competition most of the time.  Why watch a soccer player play against some kid that has never played soccer before, when you can go to a club tournament and see the same kid play against other high quality talent?

 

Camps and tournaments are appealing because they are a much more efficient use of time, and they are competing against players much closer to their level of quality.  Who cares if some kid can throw 50 TDs against crappy competition if you put him up against good defense and can't complete a pass?

[Reliable Source]

The kid is the turd in the punchbowl or he would be holding at least some DII offers. Every college staff in the country didn't overlook this kid. Can we get back to players we are going after? More of those than we can keep track of already without debating slick's neighborhood Boycrush.

[SANJAY]

College coaches are not basing scholarship offers solely on camps. Or even primarily. Kid has huge statistics at a high level in Georgia but he can't get offered because he performed poorly at some 7-on-7 flag football event last summer? Not likely at all.

 

Were you there? If not, its not likely at all you'd know what's going on.

 

He played 2 more game after this article. He's 21-4 in two seasons (not a full season last year)

 

http://mdjonline.com/bookmark/24099957

I don't have to be there to realize that 125 D-1 college coaching staffs don't solely rely on camps. Especially when the vast majority of them do not see those camps. Unless a kid comes to a specific school's camps most of the private 7-on-7 tournaments are off limits to college coaches.

Also, Occam's razor says it is more likely that the kid just doesn't have it as opposed to every staff in America is missing on him.

[slick1ru2]

 

 

College coaches are not basing scholarship offers solely on camps. Or even primarily. Kid has huge statistics at a high level in Georgia but he can't get offered because he performed poorly at some 7-on-7 flag football event last summer? Not likely at all.

 

Were you there? If not, its not likely at all you'd know what's going on.

 

He played 2 more game after this article. He's 21-4 in two seasons (not a full season last year)

 

http://mdjonline.com/bookmark/24099957

I don't have to be there to realize that 125 D-1 college coaching staffs don't solely rely on camps. Especially when the vast majority of them do not see those camps. Unless a kid comes to a specific school's camps most of the private 7-on-7 tournaments are off limits to college coaches.

Also, Occam's razor says it is more likely that the kid just doesn't have it as opposed to every staff in America is missing on him.Its a

 

Well it seems that more and more don't recruit solely off game play either. They want to see recruits do good in BOTH camps and games. As Al Golden at Miami said  last year, it can be the clincher on if an athlete gets an offer or spark interest. So if you weren't at these camps, you have no idea if how he played at camp was the reason teams are now not interested or were and didn't offer.

 

Occam's razor says, if you weren't there you don't know.

 

Anyway, he got his first offer last week, along with one of his teammates, to a JUCO D1 team. They were top 10 in 2011, 8 winning seasons in a row, won their conference 4 of the last 6 years and had 8 students sign letters of intent to D1 or D1aa schools for last year. If he goes that route, I expect we'll be hearing more in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/college-football-summer-camps-become-a-new-recruit/nPj7B/

 

Summer camps have progressively become an important part of recruiting in college football. With NCAA rules increasingly limiting the contact college coaches can have with recruits, camps have become as much a part of the recruiting game as home visits.

Of the 23 players the Gators signed last February, each attended camp in Gainesville.

 

 

Golden said he won’t offer a scholarship to a prospect solely off a summer camp. But he added that an athlete’s performance could be the clincher that produces an offer. Or it can be the start of UM’s interest in a player.

 

Edited December 12, 2013 by slick1ru2

[Dogma]

Thanks for the thread bump/update.

I was getting worried not hearing any updates on Mr. Ironside.

[2000bull]

 

 

 

College coaches are not basing scholarship offers solely on camps. Or even primarily. Kid has huge statistics at a high level in Georgia but he can't get offered because he performed poorly at some 7-on-7 flag football event last summer? Not likely at all.

 

Were you there? If not, its not likely at all you'd know what's going on.

 

He played 2 more game after this article. He's 21-4 in two seasons (not a full season last year)

 

http://mdjonline.com/bookmark/24099957

I don't have to be there to realize that 125 D-1 college coaching staffs don't solely rely on camps. Especially when the vast majority of them do not see those camps. Unless a kid comes to a specific school's camps most of the private 7-on-7 tournaments are off limits to college coaches.

Also, Occam's razor says it is more likely that the kid just doesn't have it as opposed to every staff in America is missing on him.Its a

 

Well it seems that more and more don't recruit solely off game play either. They want to see recruits do good in BOTH camps and games. As Al Golden at Miami said  last year, it can be the clincher on if an athlete gets an offer or spark interest. So if you weren't at these camps, you have no idea if how he played at camp was the reason teams are now not interested or were and didn't offer.

 

Occam's razor says, if you weren't there you don't know.

 

Anyway, he got his first offer last week, along with one of his teammates, to a JUCO D1 team. They were top 10 in 2011, 8 winning seasons in a row, won their conference 4 of the last 6 years and had 8 students sign letters of intent to D1 or D1aa schools for last year. If he goes that route, I expect we'll be hearing more in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/college-football-summer-camps-become-a-new-recruit/nPj7B/

 

Summer camps have progressively become an important part of recruiting in college football. With NCAA rules increasingly limiting the contact college coaches can have with recruits, camps have become as much a part of the recruiting game as home visits.

Of the 23 players the Gators signed last February, each attended camp in Gainesville.

 

 

Golden said he won’t offer a scholarship to a prospect solely off a summer camp. But he added that an athlete’s performance could be the clincher that produces an offer. Or it can be the start of UM’s interest in a player.

 

 

so which college camps has ironside gone to? Because from that article, it was the camp at that particular college, not some random camp.

Edited December 12, 2013 by 2000bull

[JTrue]

 

 

 

 

College coaches are not basing scholarship offers solely on camps. Or even primarily. Kid has huge statistics at a high level in Georgia but he can't get offered because he performed poorly at some 7-on-7 flag football event last summer? Not likely at all.

 

Were you there? If not, its not likely at all you'd know what's going on.

 

He played 2 more game after this article. He's 21-4 in two seasons (not a full season last year)

 

http://mdjonline.com/bookmark/24099957

I don't have to be there to realize that 125 D-1 college coaching staffs don't solely rely on camps. Especially when the vast majority of them do not see those camps. Unless a kid comes to a specific school's camps most of the private 7-on-7 tournaments are off limits to college coaches.

Also, Occam's razor says it is more likely that the kid just doesn't have it as opposed to every staff in America is missing on him.Its a

 

Well it seems that more and more don't recruit solely off game play either. They want to see recruits do good in BOTH camps and games. As Al Golden at Miami said  last year, it can be the clincher on if an athlete gets an offer or spark interest. So if you weren't at these camps, you have no idea if how he played at camp was the reason teams are now not interested or were and didn't offer.

 

Occam's razor says, if you weren't there you don't know.

 

Anyway, he got his first offer last week, along with one of his teammates, to a JUCO D1 team. They were top 10 in 2011, 8 winning seasons in a row, won their conference 4 of the last 6 years and had 8 students sign letters of intent to D1 or D1aa schools for last year. If he goes that route, I expect we'll be hearing more in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/college-football-summer-camps-become-a-new-recruit/nPj7B/

 

Summer camps have progressively become an important part of recruiting in college football. With NCAA rules increasingly limiting the contact college coaches can have with recruits, camps have become as much a part of the recruiting game as home visits.

Of the 23 players the Gators signed last February, each attended camp in Gainesville.

 

 

Golden said he won’t offer a scholarship to a prospect solely off a summer camp. But he added that an athlete’s performance could be the clincher that produces an offer. Or it can be the start of UM’s interest in a player.

 

 

so which college camps has ironside gone to? Because from that article, it was the camp at that particular college, not some random camp.

 

Edited December 12, 2013 by JTrue