FSU to B12?

[Who'sYourData?]

Virginia Tech and Miami are equal to what in the Big East?

Miami has been barely an average team for the last ten years. Virginia Tech may have some argument, but are you going to say that Boise State hasn't been better? I'm not talking prestige, but actual on field results.

Besides which, you are forgetting that in most of the scenarios being discussed, Virginia Tech is gone from the ACC as well.

If we end up back in the ACC, it will be with Pitt and Syracuse as the marquee football teams. Been there, done that.

Boise State. They beat VT in a great game in 2010. I love Boise State. That being said Boise State has racked up prestige playschedules schedule that features 1-2 games a year that they have a legit chance of losing.

The mere idea that someone would suggest being in a conference with Boise State and Louisville driving the football ship is better than the ACC is insane.

Some of you need to quit looking at what has happened the last 5 years, and look at the bigger picture. Under some people's theory, Alabama was done 6 years ago when they were struggling to have winning records. (The NCAA helped). Oklahoma stood no chance of returning to glory in the early 2000s after 10+ years of terrible football.

I'm sure USC was an also ran to you too until 2002.

Prestige is what matters here bossman. 60,000 fannies in seats. Large fan bases. TV viewers. There will always be lean years, but the ACC has teams that can turn the tables, and have been very good in the past.

I don't know how it will play out. If FSU is the only school to jump, so be it. But I do know that I'd rather be in the ACC. Any other suggestion of stayinh in the BE should that offer come is foolish.

Looking at the big picture, Miami has lousy facilities and a lousy fanbase. They don't put 60,000 in the stands for anybody. They dominated during a time when Miami dominated high school football and the "u" was able to keep them at home. The world is bigger, and a lot of those kids are going to other schools. FSU is losing money and needs facility upgrades as well.

Syracuse used to be a national championship football team. The world changes, we need to keep up.

[Reliable Source]

FSU must be pretty close to completing this. Their guys(Jimbo Fisher, Gabbert- Ch. of BOT) were blabbing it all over town yesterday. ACC has to be scrambling to stave off ESPN reducing their contract. Wonder if we got a call yesterday? I mean we aren't FSU but we do have the same letters in our name.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Bullwinkle

[Triple B]

Virginia Tech and Miami are equal to what in the Big East?

Miami has been barely an average team for the last ten years. Virginia Tech may have some argument, but are you going to say that Boise State hasn't been better? I'm not talking prestige, but actual on field results.

Besides which, you are forgetting that in most of the scenarios being discussed, Virginia Tech is gone from the ACC as well.

If we end up back in the ACC, it will be with Pitt and Syracuse as the marquee football teams. Been there, done that.

In most of the movements in the power conferences, on the field results aren't really playing a big deal. Other criteria including prestige, tradition, etc appear to be in play. Syracuse is a good example ....

Jumping to the ACC would be a no brainer if invited.

[Who'sYourData?]

Virginia Tech and Miami are equal to what in the Big East?

Miami has been barely an average team for the last ten years. Virginia Tech may have some argument, but are you going to say that Boise State hasn't been better? I'm not talking prestige, but actual on field results.

Besides which, you are forgetting that in most of the scenarios being discussed, Virginia Tech is gone from the ACC as well.

If we end up back in the ACC, it will be with Pitt and Syracuse as the marquee football teams. Been there, done that.

In most of the movements in the power conferences, on the field results aren't really playing a big deal. Other criteria including prestige, tradition, etc appear to be in play. Syracuse is a good example ....

Jumping to the ACC as currently constituted would be a no brainer if invited.

Fixed it for you.

[CPR]

If the Big 12 were to add FSU and they (ACC) wanted a FL school as a replacement, do any of you think UCF could jump us this time, like we did to them with the Big East?

[Atlanta Bull]

Just want to throw this thought out there. We have heard about Clemson and the Ville as also in the mix for the B12. What if FSU says we will go but we want USF so we have one conference partner that is within a five hour drive? That would be good for all the B12 non football sports to save travel dollars as well. Also puts two B12 teams in large Florida Market as well as more recruiting trips.

[BaltoBull]

If the Big 12 were to add FSU and they (ACC) wanted a FL school as a replacement, do any of you think UCF could jump us this time, like we did to them with the Big East?

Not that I think either of the 'directional' Florida schools would get the nod from the ACC, but aren't the Knights going on probation soon for something?

[Doc]

I am not a conspiracy theorist who believes that the PITT/SU raid was conducted solely by ESPN to weaken the BigEast in negotiations. The ACC did what it did for their own survival. Remember, that move came 48 hours before the Oklahoma schools were to announce a decision regarding the Pac12 and it looked like they, Texas, and TTU were heading west. Mizzou had not yet abandoned ship and were being considered by the SEC along with the strongest of the ACC football schools.

The BigEast looked to gain from the BigXII collapse while the ACC was ripe for the picking. Then, just like that, Pitt gone, Syracuse gone, buy-out raised in ACC, and their future secured -- or so it seemed. Now it appears that their show of strength and solidarity wasn't all it was cracked up to be. And all of this because of BigXII expansion??? Just imagine what it'll look like when the SEC or B10 decide to add new members and can pretty much take who they want (except for Texas, ND, or other SEC/B10 schools). Those conferences aren't going to settle for just any warm body, and the ACC has the bulk of the desirable names left (not necessarily the best teams, but that's not what it's ever been about). I still see an eventual ACC/OldBigEast leftover "merger" under the ACC banner (BBall schools split and keep the BigEast name), and right now our "current" members have the edge. No way I see them taking UCF, especially over UL or even UC, regardless of geography. Keep in mind that the ACC leftovers would be predominantly BBall-first schools, and so UL/UC/UConn would all still be excellent fits if available. My worry is that if this drags on for a while (a few years), and the NewBigEast starts to blend together, we'll lose any advantage as a member of the "more-established" old-guard, and be more likely to be cast off with UCF/SMU/UH.

[Who'sYourData?]

If the Big 12 were to add FSU and they (ACC) wanted a FL school as a replacement, do any of you think UCF could jump us this time, like we did to them with the Big East?

Given the respective states of the two programs, I seriously doubt UCF jumps USF to get a spot in the ACC.

[Triple B]

Virginia Tech and Miami are equal to what in the Big East?

Miami has been barely an average team for the last ten years. Virginia Tech may have some argument, but are you going to say that Boise State hasn't been better? I'm not talking prestige, but actual on field results.

Besides which, you are forgetting that in most of the scenarios being discussed, Virginia Tech is gone from the ACC as well.

If we end up back in the ACC, it will be with Pitt and Syracuse as the marquee football teams. Been there, done that.

In most of the movements in the power conferences, on the field results aren't really playing a big deal. Other criteria including prestige, tradition, etc appear to be in play. Syracuse is a good example ....

Jumping to the ACC as currently constituted would be a no brainer if invited.

Fixed it for you.

.... I'm not sure they could gut the current ACC enough for me not to choose it over the mongrel we have to look forward to now.