The Gap Between USF and the Orlando School

[Joe]

1 hour ago, El_Toro_86 said:

How about this example.

Look what happened when Michigan hired Rich Rod years ago and went to a spread.  They had built their brand on a typical Midwestern Big 10 power run game and in comes a guy that wants to change everything and how’d that end up?

...and when Ohio State hired Urban Meyer? What about when Bob Stoops took Oklahoma from the Triple-Option to Spurrier’s spread?

[puc86]

2 minutes ago, Joe said:

...and when Ohio State hired Urban Meyer? What about when Bob Stoops took Oklahoma from the Triple-Option to Spurrier’s spread?

The difference is a blue blood P5 team can expect their coach will stay long enough to create continuity and transitioning can be faster when you are bringing in top ranked recruiting classes. Our coaches are either going to be successful enough that they will not see their first recruiting class graduate or fail miserably enough that they will not see their first recruiting class graduate. Add on that most of the athletes they “need” to run their systems won’t be in place until it’s time for them to go and us to once again pivot and find a new coach that has new “needs” and it’s pretty simple to see that we need to start controlling our direction a bit more and creating our own continuity.

[Bulls On Parade]

1 hour ago, El_Toro_86 said:

How about this example.

Look what happened when Michigan hired Rich Rod years ago and went to a spread.  They had built their brand on a typical Midwestern Big 10 power run game and in comes a guy that wants to change everything and how’d that end up?

Rich actually had a good offense he took them from 111th to like top 10 just he had a a worsening defense and special teams that led to his demise.

But there is something to be said working with what we can bring at USF..and we will never bring in the top O line players to run a power run offense.   It was a big time warning when Strong was saying slow the offense down he really shouldn't have made it past the interview process.

 

 

[chapelbull]

CCS was a bad hire.   Let's see how CJS turns out.  

[BrassBulls12]

I do enjoy the "sky is falling" threads. 

[Bulls On Parade]

10 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

I do enjoy the "sky is falling" threads. 

Then you came to the right place  

People freaking out after getting whipped by a possible playoff team second game of a rebuild year, gotta love this site.

 

[NewEnglandBull]

8 hours ago, JLR LegacyConsulting said:

The boss (AD)  decides what type of team he wants.   He then selects his coach based on the style of play and culture - he/she the boss wants.

then hiring is based on specific skills and not reputation or the best “name” available

Replacement pool based on same criterion.

 

just a thought 

 

Any thoughts on how JL could not beat Uconn or Rutgers? 

[puc86]

5 minutes ago, brybull1970 said:

So basically you want us to become Army or Navy - find one offensive philosophy and stick to it and only limit our coaching searches to those that fit that style? While ignoring potential candidates who may be more qualified and get to a better result long term?

This just sounds like the ramblings of someone who is tired of change (who can blame you), but your end game is to minimize change instead of doing whatever is necessary to win, even if means significant change.

The part you are missing is there is no long run candidates in our current station. I have no issue with change but we cannot have a program designed to be in constant flux. Navy is now constantly above us so it we be great to emulate them, UCF for all their faults has taken this path on their last hire and it seemed to pay off in spades. The direction of the program cannot be held by the whims of people that will not be here long term and have no interest in the long term success of it.

[puc86]

5 minutes ago, brybull1970 said:

So much to un pack here. See my response in red above.

We lost our only USF lifer and a succession plan is basically the same thing I am discussing only we control the succession and assure that there is continuity that remains even after the departure of any coach. The best person available is often times situational and a great fit in one situation can be a horrible fit in another. Always drafting the best available player would seem like a good strategy in the NFL until you end up with 30 QBs on your team.

[El_Toro_86]

Starting with Taggart, we went form the ill matched west coast power run offense to the Gulf Coast offense which had great success.  When Strong was hired he came and changed the philosophy and went to Gilbert’s stellar run up the middle for no gain offense.  Flowers was the only thing that kept that thing moving.  Then came Puc’s hero KB and the “play fast score faster” pro style offense and that didn’t end up too well and now we have CJS with the Clemson RPO spread.  

That’s 5 different offenses since Taggart was hired with Taggart and Strong each over seeing 2 different philosophies.  No freakin consistency.  You don’t have to have the same exact offense but the general philosophy needs to stay somewhat consistent.  Taggart’s west coast offense and KB’s offense had no business at USF.  We can’t recruit well enough to make those offenses successful.

Some version of a spread which  puts fast skill guys in space that doesn’t require a huge talented Oline is what we should be focused on and keep that philosophy when we go through a coaching change.  There’s not enough of those Oline recruits to go around and the P5 takes most of them.