KB says changes to offense this week

[USFBulls727]

7 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Never said we would be better...what I am saying is that early this year everyone thought it was a strength of this team. They turned out to be overrated. Come to think of it those kicked off last year were also terrible...

Not Salomon

[usfgrad84]

Could have been that he became demoralized for whatever reason, but Salomon dropped more balls than anyone the 2nd half of the year. The last few games he played in, it was obvious he had checked out. 

 

[mjadams]

7 hours ago, USFBulls727 said:

Not Salomon

What's he doing now?

[mjadams]

St. Felix had been a big disappointment this year to me. I had high hopes.

[Bull94]

9 hours ago, Bull Dozer said:

The thing is there's zero on the field evidence these kids could run those other schemes. They're failing in some of the most basic ways of being a football players. Kids are just being out muscled/physicaled and our technique at basically every position is horrendous.  Hell I've seen offensive tackles in a full back pedal in games this season, a technique that is not taught at the position at any level. You can have the best scheme and x's and o's in the world but if you can't coach them to even have some of the most fundamental aspects at their ideal positions, develop them physically and mentally to compete with their peers, and motivate them to elevate themselves and be accountable none of your x's and o's genius matters. If the kids can't do the basics required of players in any scheme, let aloneness yours and are not physically able to compete with their peers scheme becomes irrelevant. 

Atterbury and norman had 12 starts between them in 2016 as redshirt Freshmen.

I guarantee nobody complained about our line then. we were breaking all sorts of offensive records.

I get that technique and strength have a lot to do with how they play but if you don't believe there is a difference between the skill sets necessary to be a pro-style o-lineman and a spread lineman then you are naive.

[BDYZR]

2 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

difference between the skill sets necessary to be a pro-style o-lineman

Spread vs Pro-style offense: What's the difference?

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/1/8/7509819/spread-vs-pro-style-offense-whats-the-difference-Florida-State-Oregon-Ducks

 

[Bull94]

1 minute ago, BDYZR said:

Spread vs Pro-style offense: What's the difference?

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/1/8/7509819/spread-vs-pro-style-offense-whats-the-difference-Florida-State-Oregon-Ducks

 

Generally, pro-style offenses are more complex than typical college or high school offenses. They are balanced, requiring offensive lines that are adept at both pass and run blocking, quarterbacks (QBs) with good decision-making abilities, and running backs (RBs) who are capable of running between the tackles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-style_offense

One of the biggest reasons for this is the variance in the things the players are asked to do in a spread scheme versus what they are then expected to know coming into the NFL. Many of these linemen have never learned a proper pass set because in the spread offenses they are never blocking for more than two or three seconds.

Aspects of the spread offense have hurt the NFL. Because it’s not a 1:1 correlation. The skills don’t come over. So you’ll have a ton of offensive linemen that are very very talented that are going to come into the NFL and have never pass set. They’ve never sat there with a quarterback who’s nine yards deep and ‘kick...kick...punch’ to protect the quarterback, because there’s so many run/pass options.

What will never change about the NFL is that playing quarterback in the NFL is all about sitting in the pocket, throwing the ball through a door that’s closing with dogs chasing you. That’s not college football. So you’ve got these offensive linemen that have never experienced that world.

And if you’ve never done it before, it’s hard to learn it on an NFL team....So now your hundred million dollar quarterback is sitting back there with guys protecting him that have never done what you are asking them to do.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2017/1/31/14434060/offensive-linemen-spread-scheme

[Bull94]

So what does this mean for Denver? I don’t think they should even consider an offensive lineman from a spread system because of the level of development and time required coupled with the needs we have for a player we draft to contribute early.

This may sound harsh, but take a look at the linemen drafted over the last several years that have contributed for their respective teams and see where they played their college ball.

What do all those schools above have in common: they run a pro-style offense.

Meanwhile, other first rounders from schools like Texas A&M, Auburn, Miami, Florida, and Texas A&M (again) have struggled adjusting to the NFL and showed serious flaws in their technique.

This isn’t to say that linemen from a spread scheme can’t succeed. Laremy Tunsil from Ole Miss has looked pretty solid and is loaded with talent, and he came from a spread scheme; but guys like him are the exception, not the rule.

So next time you see a lineman mocked to Denver or as you consider prospects, the first question you should ask yourself is what style of offense did he play.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2017/1/31/14434060/offensive-linemen-spread-scheme

now if the NFL has trouble converting spread o-linemen into pro-style o-linemen what do you think a college would have trouble doing??

Edited October 3, 2019 by Bull94

[BDYZR]

5 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

So next time you see a lineman mocked to Denver or as you consider prospects, the first question you should ask yourself is what style of offense did he play.

Or, and I certainly don't know, what traits do you look for that says this guy can be made into a pro-style o-lineman?

Are we to assume that all of our guys are spread? Are we supposed to wait until we recruit different lineman for KB's offense?

 

[Bull94]

This trend has stunted the progression of linemen from a technical standpoint—guys in spread offenses constantly line up in a two-point stance, almost regardless of the situation—and, more crucially, it’s eliminated the complexity that’s long been inherent to line play.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/11/2/16596392/offensive-line-crisis-league-midseason