4th and short.

[puc86]

46 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Nothing but if I get someone on this board to talk baseball I'm running with it. 

Want to talk about early nineties Pirates?

[BrassBulls12]

7 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Want to talk about early nineties Pirates?

 Those are my early days but I am fan of Jim Leyland and the Barry that could run and hit. that also make me think Bonilla and how he is still getting paid by the Mets. 

Edited November 30, 2018 by BrassBulls12

[puc86]

37 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

 Those are my early days but I am fan of Jim Leyland and the Barry that could run and hit. that also make me think Bonilla and how he is still getting paid by the Mets. 

What’s not to love about chain smoking cowboy killers while coaching America’s past time from the dugout? Also no love for Doug Drabek, Jay Bell, Andy VanSlyke and Spanky?

[BrassBulls12]

5 minutes ago, puc86 said:

What’s not to love about chain smoking cowboy killers while coaching America’s past time from the dugout? Also no love for Doug Drabek, Jay Bell, Andy VanSlyke and Spanky?

ole Jimmy lol, Im sure they were great guys but I was a kid growing up in rural central florida. I mostly just got the Bonds highlights after the fact. I've always dug these hats too pretty sure they started before the nineties though. 

Edited November 30, 2018 by BrassBulls12

[Brad]

Can you guys get a thread?

 

[snarling Bull]

2 hours ago, OcalaBull2 said:

This. Every time we were stuffed it was just straight up the gut. It’s the easiest offense to read. I guarantee one of those 4th and 1’s could have been converted if we tried running to the outside or even a quick pass. 

i am not sure Gilbert would understand that play.  

[Rocky Style]

6 hours ago, snarling Bull said:

i am not sure Gilbert would understand that play.  

Always run up the middle.  Run up the middle until it works.  If it doesn't work, run up the middle.

[pistonpete]

8 hours ago, BrassBulls12 said:

........I've always dug these hats too pretty sure they started before the nineties though. 

 

This was the coolest guy ever to wear this hat in my opinion......It was his signature hat in almost every picture of him....

 

The great Rocky George of Suicidal Tendencies

 

Edited November 30, 2018 by pistonpete

[BrassBulls12]

19 hours ago, chapelbull said:

Who said that?   Present evidence that coordinators act completely independently of their HC's philosophy

First of all, way to shift the burden of proof. 

since you asked here is one example. Lane Kiffin at Alabama 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2014/12/05/college-football-alabama-crimson-tide-offensive-coordinator-lane-kiffin-pace-of-play/19892153/

In 2013, Alabama ran 826 plays in 13 games, the same number Connecticut ran in 12. That total ranked 99th out of 125 FBS teams. This season, through 12 games, Alabama has run 872, the same as Oregon, one of the most prominent and successful fast-paced offensive teams.

The shift is notable for many reasons, including the fact that two years ago Alabama coach Nick Saban questioned the quickening pace of college football, saying, "Is this what we want football to be?" But less than a week after outscoring Auburn to win the SEC West division, Alabama's offense has become a leading practitioner of what he once decried: one that relies as much on speed and tempo as it does pure physicality.

He said (a player on the team) Kiffin's approach was "kind of foreign to a lot of guys at first. I think he knew that. So he was really patient with us."

so the great Nick Saban yielded to his OC and completely went against his very public opposition to the fast paced offense because its what suited his OC. 

You could also look at Play calling, Blake Sims ran the ball twice as much as his predecessor, and his 7 TD that season were more the McCarron had in his four year career. 

You could point out that Kiffin threw more at USC than he did at Alabama, but you have to prove to me how much having Matt Barkley at USC and not having Derrick Henry at USC played a role in that. 

Now looking at Sterlin Gilbert in particular. 

in 2014 Bowling green ran the ball 39.7 times per game and threw 39.1 

In 2015 Tulsa ran the football 45 times per game and threw 37

In 2016 texas ran the ball 49 times per game 39

2017 USf ran the ball over 50 times per game and threw 30 (skewed by QF rushing 190 times) 

2018 USF ran 40 times per game and threw 33 

Stats provided Sports-reference.com

In fact the only season that I can find where a Sterlin Gilbert offense threw more than he ran was his first season at Eastern illinois. 

Conclusion Gilberts run/ pass ratio isn't all that different now than before Strong. He is and for the most part has always been run first. 

Now you wanna look at tempo see what gousfbulls.com has to say 

TAMPA, SEPT. 19, 2018 – USF is poised to become the fastest Florida FBS team to reach 150 program wins and its up-tempo offense wants to produce more big results at Raymond James Stadium in the Bulls' conference opener against East Carolina.

Strong said he’d instruct his offense to slow down enough to “let us drink some Gatorade.”

http://footballscoop.com/news/charlie-strong-fits-like-a-glove-at-south-florida/

Doesn't sound like we are running the slow paced offense that Strong wanted to see

There is also evidence provided by a comment on our very own Mike Stuben's tweet, that suggest that Strong doesn't even interact with the offensive practice....at all.

Why would a coach that is so uninterested in the offensive practice have any influence over the offensive philosophy? 

My conclusion, based on the numbers, he doesn't. the offense is Gilbert's show.  

Edited November 30, 2018 by BrassBulls12

[chapelbull]

24 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

First of all, way to shift the burden of proof. 

since you asked here is one example. Lane Kiffin at Alabama 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2014/12/05/college-football-alabama-crimson-tide-offensive-coordinator-lane-kiffin-pace-of-play/19892153/

In 2013, Alabama ran 826 plays in 13 games, the same number Connecticut ran in 12. That total ranked 99th out of 125 FBS teams. This season, through 12 games, Alabama has run 872, the same as Oregon, one of the most prominent and successful fast-paced offensive teams.

The shift is notable for many reasons, including the fact that two years ago Alabama coach Nick Saban questioned the quickening pace of college football, saying, "Is this what we want football to be?" But less than a week after outscoring Auburn to win the SEC West division, Alabama's offense has become a leading practitioner of what he once decried: one that relies as much on speed and tempo as it does pure physicality.

He said (a player on the team) Kiffin's approach was "kind of foreign to a lot of guys at first. I think he knew that. So he was really patient with us."

so the great Nick Saban yielded to his OC and completely went against his very public opposition to the fast paced offense because its what suited his OC. 

You could also look at Play calling, Blake Sims ran the ball twice as much as his predecessor, and his 7 TD that season were more the McCarron had in his four year career. 

You could point out that Kiffin threw more at USC than he did at Alabama, but you have to prove to me how much having Matt Barkley at USC and not having Derrick Henry at USC played a role in that. 

Now looking at Sterlin Gilbert in particular. 

in 2014 Bowling green ran the ball 39.7 times per game and threw 39.1 

In 2015 Tulsa ran the football 45 times per game and threw 37

In 2016 texas ran the ball 49 times per game 39

2017 USf ran the ball over 50 times per game and threw 30 (skewed by QF rushing 190 times) 

2018 USF ran 40 times per game and threw 33 

Stats provided Sports-reference.com

In fact the only season that I can find where a Sterlin Gilbert offense threw more than he ran was his first season at Eastern illinois. 

Conclusion Gilberts run/ pass ratio isn't all that different now than before Strong. He is and for the most part has always been run first. 

Now you wanna look at tempo see what gousfbulls.com has to say 

TAMPA, SEPT. 19, 2018 – USF is poised to become the fastest Florida FBS team to reach 150 program wins and its up-tempo offense wants to produce more big results at Raymond James Stadium in the Bulls' conference opener against East Carolina.

Strong said he’d instruct his offense to slow down enough to “let us drink some Gatorade.”

http://footballscoop.com/news/charlie-strong-fits-like-a-glove-at-south-florida/

Doesn't sound like we are running the slow paced offense that Strong wanted to see

There is also evidence provided by a comment on our very own Mike Stuben's tweet, that suggest that Strong doesn't even interact with the offensive practice....at all.

Why would a coach that is so uninterested in the offensive practice have any influence over the offensive philosophy? 

My conclusion, based on the numbers, he doesn't. the offense is Gilbert's show.  

lol, why do you get to decide the "burden of proof" especially for something I didn't say.  It's been pretty well discussed that Saban changed his philosophy on the offense as times they have achanged hence the hiring of OCs that open up the offense.  Kiffin didn't come in and change things without Saban's blessing.   

Strong has had multiple OCs, the questions about his conservatism have remained.  No one has stated that Strong is coaching the offense or calling the plays.

Strawman

Edited November 30, 2018 by chapelbull