4th and short.

[BrassBulls12]

8 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Are we pretending that the HC has no influence on the type of game that is called by his coordinators?

present some evidence that defensive minded coaches dictate playcalls mid game. 

[puc86]

1 minute ago, BrassBulls12 said:

 

 

What the graphic shows is that most NFL coaches punt on 4th and 1 on their side of the 50. the computer says go for it, but last time I checked computers don't coach football now do they? Also as I pointed out, score and time on clock are not taken into account. 

What it shows is based on the statistics of what is most probable to happen you should always go for 4-1 and 4-2 at all times and all field positions. The algorithm isn’t being risk seeking or risk adverse it is accounting for what will most likely happen and the math says you are more likely to benefit in the long run than you will be punished.

[chapelbull]

1 minute ago, BrassBulls12 said:

present some evidence that defensive minded coaches dictate playcalls mid game. 

Who said that?   Present evidence that coordinators act completely independently of their HC's philosophy

[BrassBulls12]

1 minute ago, puc86 said:

What it shows is based on the statistics of what is most probable to happen you should always go for 4-1 and 4-2 at all times and all field positions. The algorithm isn’t being risk seeking or risk adverse it is accounting for what will most likely happen and the math says you are more likely to benefit in the long run than you will be punished.

Over the course of an entire season ok but that doesn't mean its going to help you win any single game. If you are playing to win a particular game you have to account for situational irregularities. 

[Bull94]

3 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

 

 

What the graphic shows is that most NFL coaches punt on 4th and 1 on their side of the 50. the computer says go for it, but last time I checked computers don't coach football now do they? Also as I pointed out, score and time on clock are not taken into account. It also doesn't take in account the team you are playing and has happened in the game already. Its just blind numbers, 

the fact that it was later in the game down 14 meant even more so that we should have gone for it.

you must be old school. trust your gut type.

all sports are now going to analytics. they maximize your chance of winning.

strong made a call that was meant to prevent us from losing. not one that was meant to give us the best chance to win.

[BDYZR]

4 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

 

 

What the graphic shows is that most NFL coaches punt on 4th and 1 on their side of the 50. the computer says go for it, but last time I checked computers don't coach football now do they? Also as I pointed out, score and time on clock are not taken into account. It also doesn't take in account the team you are playing and has happened in the game already. Its just blind numbers, 

How many years did baseball play 1st, 2nd, ss and 3rd pretty much straight up until Maddon looked at computer graphs and moved the ss to the right side of second base and the second baseman to short right field when facing a dead pull lefty?

[chapelbull]

3 minutes ago, puc86 said:

What it shows is based on the statistics of what is most probable to happen you should always go for 4-1 and 4-2 at all times and all field positions. The algorithm isn’t being risk seeking or risk adverse it is accounting for what will most likely happen and the math says you are more likely to benefit in the long run than you will be punished.

It's kind of like Blackjack

[Bull94]

Just now, BrassBulls12 said:

Over the course of an entire season ok but that doesn't mean its going to help you win any single game. If you are playing to win a particular game you have to account for situational irregularities. 

you have to play the odds to give yourself the best chance to win.

what were your situational irregularities? his moron OC? He can override a play.

[chapelbull]

It's also not a one time ultraconservative play call.  There's a pattern over time

[BrassBulls12]

1 minute ago, BDYZR said:

How many years did baseball play 1st, 2nd, ss and 3rd pretty much straight up until Maddon looked at computer graphs and moved the ss to the right side of second base and the second baseman to short right field when facing a dead pull lefty?

And if you watch any of Bill Ripken on MLB network, he will present you with numbers that even with the shift the Batting averages don't change. So is the shift really doing anything but put your defense in awkward positions?