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4 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

So the best option was to do what he believed was more than likely going to lose the game at the moment, instead of doing what was going to give him the best chance to win? 

I would love to see the math on that.

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I would not have been mad had CCS gone for it and failed there. I would have been mad because the play call would have been yet another run up the middle. Also, the set up to the question ignores

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Yeah, we could call something besides the up the middle run with the 5'5" RB ..... and that is just one example of the ultraconservative, play not to lose philosophy

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the fact that it was later in the game down 14 meant even more so that we should have gone for it. you must be old school. trust your gut type. all sports are now going to analytics. they ma

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4 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

What math is that? 

here you go. the math actually says to go for it on all 4th and 1 situations. in fact in that situation it says to go for it on 4th and 2, 4th and 3, 4th and 4, 4th and 5. it does say to punt on 4th and 6 though.

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/11/28/fourth-downs/post.html

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Are we pretending that the HC has no influence on the type of game that is called by his coordinators?

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4 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

you might want to read up on the subject. you are actually completely wrong in your reasoning.

Do explain?

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Just now, BrassBulls12 said:

Do explain?

 

3 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

here you go. the math actually says to go for it on all 4th and 1 situations.

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/11/28/fourth-downs/post.html

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3 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

here you go. the math actually says to go for it on all 4th and 1 situations.

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/11/28/fourth-downs/post.html

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This doesn't take score and time on clock into account. 

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1 minute ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Do explain?

 Believe he posted a graphic a couple posts above.

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7 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

here you go. the math actually says to go for it on all 4th and 1 situations. in fact in that situation it says to go for it on 4th and 2, 4th and 3, 4th and 4, 4th and 5. it does say to punt on 4th and 6 though.

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/11/28/fourth-downs/post.html

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4 minutes ago, puc86 said:

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

 Believe he posted a graphic a couple posts above.

What the graphic shows is that most NFL coaches punt on 4th and 1 on their side of the 50. the computer says go for it, but last time I checked computers don't coach football now do they? Also as I pointed out, score and time on clock are not taken into account. It also doesn't take in account the team you are playing and has happened in the game already. Its just blind numbers, 

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All I want for Christmas is the 2016 USF offense and the 2007 USF defense. 

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What the graphic shows is that most NFL coaches punt on 4th and 1 on their side of the 50. the computer says go for it, but last time I checked computers don't coach football now do they? Also as I pointed out, score and time on clock are not taken into account. It also doesn't take in account the team you are playing and has happened in the game already. Its just blind numbers, 

The fact that people don't follow the logic doesn't make it logical.

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