Tom Jones Article

[raptorcj]

 

 

 

He makes some good points, but if 3 seasons is enough to declare Holtz' time as "a shambles" (and I don't disagree), then 3 seasons ought to be enough to declare CWT's direction as pass/fail.

I'm still rooting heavily for Willie, I really like the guy and I like what he's doing to turn the players into accountable men on & off the field. Doesn't hurt he's a very solid recruiter too.

Go Bulls!

While we have hashed this out several times in the past I guess we have several hours until kickoff today and a couple days until the Bulls play.

In the article his statements are factual. CSH inherited a team that had gone bowling for several years and turned that trajectory into a downward spiral. Conversely CWT inherited CSH BAD team and has the trajectory nudging upward. No arguing with those facts...

I say this as devil's advocate because I tend to agree with you opinion-wise, but the measurement of this makes it difficult to prove. The stuff we tend to agree he's better at are more intangibles until the product on the field shows it can produce. Right now, the on-field facts likely wouldn't support an upward trajectory.

I think Jones (and I) would agree with you about CWT - "Now, Taggart might be a lousy coach. So far, the Bulls haven't looked good under his direction. But he might be a good coach. It's way too early to tell."

 

But Skip's track record is pretty clear based again on his trajectory.

 

^ my point with the Skip comparison is that he can't have it both ways. He seems to be okay with declaring Skip a catastrophe after 3 years, but in his 3rd year now, it's "way too early" for Willie? Scales don't balance, and I think he'll be right there with a pitchfork if this year's team falls pathetically flat.

Edited September 3, 2015 by raptorcj

[Bulls On Parade]

^ my point with the Skip comparison is that he can't have it both ways. He seems to be okay with declaring Skip a catastrophe after 3 years, but in his 3rd year now, it's "way too early" for Willie? Scales don't balance, and I think he'll be right there with a pitchfork if this year's team falls pathetically flat.

Skip had 3 completed seasons Cwt only 2..let's see what we have at end of this season.

[Bull94]

^ my point with the Skip comparison is that he can't have it both ways. He seems to be okay with declaring Skip a catastrophe after 3 years, but in his 3rd year now, it's "way too early" for Willie? Scales don't balance, and I think he'll be right there with a pitchfork if this year's team falls pathetically flat.

Skip completed a 3rd year where he went 3-9. Taggart has yet to start his 3rd year.

 

It's too soon to tell with Taggart. at the end of the year though we will have a better understanding.

[Bull-Hornz]

Agreed that after this year a similar amount of time will have elapsed...disagree that they should be judged similarly b/c the situations were different. One inherited a decent team the other inherited a bad one:

 

2007 CJL 9-4

2008 CJL 8-5       -1

2009 CJL 8-5        0

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2010 CSH 8-5  

2011 CSH 5-7      -3

2012 CSH 3-9      -2

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2013 CWT 2-10  

2014 CWT 4-8    +2

2015 CWT ???

 

So its clear CSH inherited a bowling team, then crashed it into the ground. CWT took that team and doubled the wins in the second year nudging upwards. You can say what you want about the competition etc etc but those are the facts. 

Edited September 3, 2015 by Bull-Hornz

[MMW]

 

 

 

 

He makes some good points, but if 3 seasons is enough to declare Holtz' time as "a shambles" (and I don't disagree), then 3 seasons ought to be enough to declare CWT's direction as pass/fail.

I'm still rooting heavily for Willie, I really like the guy and I like what he's doing to turn the players into accountable men on & off the field. Doesn't hurt he's a very solid recruiter too.

Go Bulls!

While we have hashed this out several times in the past I guess we have several hours until kickoff today and a couple days until the Bulls play.

In the article his statements are factual. CSH inherited a team that had gone bowling for several years and turned that trajectory into a downward spiral. Conversely CWT inherited CSH BAD team and has the trajectory nudging upward. No arguing with those facts...

I say this as devil's advocate because I tend to agree with you opinion-wise, but the measurement of this makes it difficult to prove. The stuff we tend to agree he's better at are more intangibles until the product on the field shows it can produce. Right now, the on-field facts likely wouldn't support an upward trajectory.

I think Jones (and I) would agree with you about CWT - "Now, Taggart might be a lousy coach. So far, the Bulls haven't looked good under his direction. But he might be a good coach. It's way too early to tell."

 

But Skip's track record is pretty clear based again on his trajectory.

 

^ my point with the Skip comparison is that he can't have it both ways. He seems to be okay with declaring Skip a catastrophe after 3 years, but in his 3rd year now, it's "way too early" for Willie? Scales don't balance, and I think he'll be right there with a pitchfork if this year's team falls pathetically flat.

 

 

 

CWT went undefeated in his 3rd year.  Oh, wait...

[raptorcj]

Just mark my words (ahem), Tom's tune will change from "it's way too early" to "the time is NOW" for a new coach if the team isn't notably more solid this year. I'm ready to be patient as he recommended, but it's easy to say all that before the first ball is snapped.

[BDYZR]

Bad team  -  0-5 wins

Decent team - 6-8 wins

Good team  -  9-12 wins

 

Will the BULLS be decent in 2015?

I certainly don't know.

 

GO BULLS!

[DELdaBull]

Right on point

[Triple B]

 

 

He makes some good points, but if 3 seasons is enough to declare Holtz' time as "a shambles" (and I don't disagree), then 3 seasons ought to be enough to declare CWT's direction as pass/fail.

I'm still rooting heavily for Willie, I really like the guy and I like what he's doing to turn the players into accountable men on & off the field. Doesn't hurt he's a very solid recruiter too.

Go Bulls!

While we have hashed this out several times in the past I guess we have several hours until kickoff today and a couple days until the Bulls play.

In the article his statements are factual. CSH inherited a team that had gone bowling for several years and turned that trajectory into a downward spiral. Conversely CWT inherited CSH BAD team and has the trajectory nudging upward. No arguing with those facts...

I say this as devil's advocate because I tend to agree with you opinion-wise, but the measurement of this makes it difficult to prove. The stuff we tend to agree he's better at are more intangibles until the product on the field shows it can produce. Right now, the on-field facts likely wouldn't support an upward trajectory.

 

 

The only on-field facts that matter are W/L's and that trajectory did nudge upward. That is pretty much indisputable, isn't it?

[TromBull12]

You would think, but haters are going to hate. I truly believe CWT and company are going to turn it around. I don't understand the Holtz love fest I see here. It's easier to tank a program than it is to build one up. So I personally think anyone who took this train wreck should be given atleast 5 years. That's just my opinion though, it was pretty much a complete overhaul.