Make your prediction! Bowl or no bowl?

[USF2011Grad]

 

 

 

 

Are you joking or a moron? Kean moved to Ohio AFTER Mike White graduated. So he wouldn't of had to compete with White. Noticed he still committed to the same school as White after? He knew that he could take the job away from Mike White, which is why White left.

 

There is absolutely no reason to think a true freshman QB can win right away at the division 1 level.  You can find a few exceptions, but not many at all.  We viewed first hand what happens when you are dealing with true freshmen here and at other schools.  And if you decide to name some, I'm willing to bet they were all higher ranked recruits than Kean.  I watched his tape, he is good but he's not that good.  I mean he has potential but I've seen A LOT of room for improvement and as the skill level goes up and the size of those windows close... he's not going to be throwing to wide open guys on the regular like in his film.

 

I get your enthusiasm but I find myself right back in the place I was the past two years... If it's to the point where a true freshman is playing, your team sucks.  I said it about us when we played White.  I actually knew we'd have to play him because all we had was Matt Floyd (who I knew sucked) and Bobby Eveld (who was a great guy and leader but not much of a QB AT ALL).  Kean will redshirt because the guys in front of him are far more ready at this point than he is.  

 Also you keep ragging on Flowers.  Not only was the kid a higher rated recruit than Kean, actually our highest rated QB signee ever, he can do a lot more than Kean can.  He's a better football player and for this offense, a power spread much like Auburns, Flowers is the better fit.  I equate Kean with Bench when he first got here.  I don't know if you want to lose, but playing Kean as a true freshman would ensure we lose.  Everyone and their mother knows Flowers is likely going to be the starter.  I watched him in the spring and he improved tremendously.  With the work those guys have been putting in since spring ball and over the summer, that guy will be ready.  I think he's going to have some growing pains but I also think he, Mack, Johnson, and Tice are going to put on a show if that Oline is as good as I think they can be.

 

Actually, I believe Carlton Hill was our highest rated signee ever. QF has the same rating as Mike White, Matt Floyd and Grothe ...

 

Actually he had a higher rating than White, Floyd, and Grothe.  He's listed as a high 3 star and the 261 best player on espn, Scout 4 star, 88.9 on 247 and one of the top dual threat guys.  I don't recall White, Floyd, or Grothe rating higer and any of those and Hill wasn't.  I'm going by what the school released during his recruiting, I'm not sure what you're going by.

Rivals ... I think the only one that's been around for the better portion of our history.

 

 

Well I use the ratings from every service because I find bias in each.  I normally use scout, 247, and espn.  Rivals is a little antiquated.

[usfbullrider]

Flowers wasn't recruited to the Qb position at any good P5 schools. Alabama and the Sec wanted him at DB which is why he got the ratings he did.

[USF2011Grad]

To the person who said Flowers had had his opportunities.  LOL.  So funny.  He started a grand total of ONE game his true freshman year a day or 2 after his brother died and also in a game with 30 degree weather.  He had no other meaningful snaps all year.  LOL, yeah, he really has had all of this opportunity so far.  You can even make an argument that Bench hasn't had his share of opportunities yet, but Flowers definitely hasn't yet. 

 

I hope Woulard shows up, if he wants to be here, but I stand by my prediction that there will be games this year when Flowers runs wild and absolutely goes off.  He is super athletic.  I don't know if he's the answer, but it's too soon to say he's not.  

 

I'm right there with you.  It's funny that I find myself defending our Qb this season but I must say, it feels good.  This is the first time I think we've had a legit guy since BJ left.  I agree with you, I think he will have games where he goes ham.  

[SANJAY]

The constant QB discussion is amusing. This is college football, the QB can be effective with his legs as much as his arm and yet all we talk about here is the passing game.

Our biggest problem at QB the last 2 years is that the QBs could not pass effectively and were a complete nonthreat to run. The switch to the spread favors a mobile QB and allows them to make plays with his legs, especially on 3rd down and short. If we have Flowers, or anyone else on the current roster, throwing 40 times a game we will lose. However, mix in some read option and running back heavy play calling and take the pass plays down to 20 times a game and we can win some games with Flowers as the QB. I think Bench could be ok in that role too.

[jchem1995]

Got to the party late... 6 and 6 and were bowling.

[Bear]

The constant QB discussion is amusing. This is college football, the QB can be effective with his legs as much as his arm and yet all we talk about here is the passing game.

Our biggest problem at QB the last 2 years is that the QBs could not pass effectively and were a complete nonthreat to run. The switch to the spread favors a mobile QB and allows them to make plays with his legs, especially on 3rd down and short. If we have Flowers, or anyone else on the current roster, throwing 40 times a game we will lose. However, mix in some read option and running back heavy play calling and take the pass plays down to 20 times a game and we can win some games with Flowers as the QB. I think Bench could be ok in that role too.

 

pretty much

[Triple B]

 

 

 

 

 

Are you joking or a moron? Kean moved to Ohio AFTER Mike White graduated. So he wouldn't of had to compete with White. Noticed he still committed to the same school as White after? He knew that he could take the job away from Mike White, which is why White left.

 

There is absolutely no reason to think a true freshman QB can win right away at the division 1 level.  You can find a few exceptions, but not many at all.  We viewed first hand what happens when you are dealing with true freshmen here and at other schools.  And if you decide to name some, I'm willing to bet they were all higher ranked recruits than Kean.  I watched his tape, he is good but he's not that good.  I mean he has potential but I've seen A LOT of room for improvement and as the skill level goes up and the size of those windows close... he's not going to be throwing to wide open guys on the regular like in his film.

 

I get your enthusiasm but I find myself right back in the place I was the past two years... If it's to the point where a true freshman is playing, your team sucks.  I said it about us when we played White.  I actually knew we'd have to play him because all we had was Matt Floyd (who I knew sucked) and Bobby Eveld (who was a great guy and leader but not much of a QB AT ALL).  Kean will redshirt because the guys in front of him are far more ready at this point than he is.  

 Also you keep ragging on Flowers.  Not only was the kid a higher rated recruit than Kean, actually our highest rated QB signee ever, he can do a lot more than Kean can.  He's a better football player and for this offense, a power spread much like Auburns, Flowers is the better fit.  I equate Kean with Bench when he first got here.  I don't know if you want to lose, but playing Kean as a true freshman would ensure we lose.  Everyone and their mother knows Flowers is likely going to be the starter.  I watched him in the spring and he improved tremendously.  With the work those guys have been putting in since spring ball and over the summer, that guy will be ready.  I think he's going to have some growing pains but I also think he, Mack, Johnson, and Tice are going to put on a show if that Oline is as good as I think they can be.

 

Actually, I believe Carlton Hill was our highest rated signee ever. QF has the same rating as Mike White, Matt Floyd and Grothe ...

 

Actually he had a higher rating than White, Floyd, and Grothe.  He's listed as a high 3 star and the 261 best player on espn, Scout 4 star, 88.9 on 247 and one of the top dual threat guys.  I don't recall White, Floyd, or Grothe rating higer and any of those and Hill wasn't.  I'm going by what the school released during his recruiting, I'm not sure what you're going by.

Rivals ... I think the only one that's been around for the better portion of our history.

 

 

Well I use the ratings from every service because I find bias in each.  I normally use scout, 247, and espn.  Rivals is a little antiquated.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that if you go to those three and do a little research, you will see that Hill and BJ were both higher rated than Flowers ..... still means that Q is up there, just not the most highly rated one we've ever gotten, and let's hope he's more like BJ than Hill.

[USF2011Grad]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you joking or a moron? Kean moved to Ohio AFTER Mike White graduated. So he wouldn't of had to compete with White. Noticed he still committed to the same school as White after? He knew that he could take the job away from Mike White, which is why White left.

 

There is absolutely no reason to think a true freshman QB can win right away at the division 1 level.  You can find a few exceptions, but not many at all.  We viewed first hand what happens when you are dealing with true freshmen here and at other schools.  And if you decide to name some, I'm willing to bet they were all higher ranked recruits than Kean.  I watched his tape, he is good but he's not that good.  I mean he has potential but I've seen A LOT of room for improvement and as the skill level goes up and the size of those windows close... he's not going to be throwing to wide open guys on the regular like in his film.

 

I get your enthusiasm but I find myself right back in the place I was the past two years... If it's to the point where a true freshman is playing, your team sucks.  I said it about us when we played White.  I actually knew we'd have to play him because all we had was Matt Floyd (who I knew sucked) and Bobby Eveld (who was a great guy and leader but not much of a QB AT ALL).  Kean will redshirt because the guys in front of him are far more ready at this point than he is.  

 Also you keep ragging on Flowers.  Not only was the kid a higher rated recruit than Kean, actually our highest rated QB signee ever, he can do a lot more than Kean can.  He's a better football player and for this offense, a power spread much like Auburns, Flowers is the better fit.  I equate Kean with Bench when he first got here.  I don't know if you want to lose, but playing Kean as a true freshman would ensure we lose.  Everyone and their mother knows Flowers is likely going to be the starter.  I watched him in the spring and he improved tremendously.  With the work those guys have been putting in since spring ball and over the summer, that guy will be ready.  I think he's going to have some growing pains but I also think he, Mack, Johnson, and Tice are going to put on a show if that Oline is as good as I think they can be.

 

Actually, I believe Carlton Hill was our highest rated signee ever. QF has the same rating as Mike White, Matt Floyd and Grothe ...

 

Actually he had a higher rating than White, Floyd, and Grothe.  He's listed as a high 3 star and the 261 best player on espn, Scout 4 star, 88.9 on 247 and one of the top dual threat guys.  I don't recall White, Floyd, or Grothe rating higer and any of those and Hill wasn't.  I'm going by what the school released during his recruiting, I'm not sure what you're going by.

Rivals ... I think the only one that's been around for the better portion of our history.

 

 

Well I use the ratings from every service because I find bias in each.  I normally use scout, 247, and espn.  Rivals is a little antiquated.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that if you go to those three and do a little research, you will see that Hill and BJ were both higher rated than Flowers ..... still means that Q is up there, just not the most highly rated one we've ever gotten, and let's hope he's more like BJ than Hill.

 

 

Yeah... I hope he's like a little more accurate BJ.  

[USF2011Grad]

The constant QB discussion is amusing. This is college football, the QB can be effective with his legs as much as his arm and yet all we talk about here is the passing game.

Our biggest problem at QB the last 2 years is that the QBs could not pass effectively and were a complete nonthreat to run. The switch to the spread favors a mobile QB and allows them to make plays with his legs, especially on 3rd down and short. If we have Flowers, or anyone else on the current roster, throwing 40 times a game we will lose. However, mix in some read option and running back heavy play calling and take the pass plays down to 20 times a game and we can win some games with Flowers as the QB. I think Bench could be ok in that role too.

agreed

[Skingraft]

So.... did anyone find my car from the other thread?