hm101 Posted June 4, 2013 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 173 Content Count: 7,008 Reputation: 2,262 Days Won: 12 Joined: 06/11/2010 Share Posted June 4, 2013 What a joke. To think that there is something about these programs that justifies their difference in allocation of resources over USF is egregious. Baylor Boston College Duke Georgia Tech Kansas Maryland Northwestern Oregon State Pitt Purdue Stanford Syracuse Vanderbilt Wake Forest Washington State Here is a link of NCAA attendance figures. If you think our 2012 numbers are distorted by the FSU game you're wrong, as ALL these programs have big games on their schedules, AND we had very similar attendance in 2011 (higher in fact). Bottom line: anyone that tells you there's something more powerful about the power 5 is wrong. There are programs there that are scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of attendance and competition. The only leg up some have is decades of tradition, and for us that's a matter of time. In an average year, USF would go at least .500 against these teams and put more fans in the stadium in the process. Other notable programs that had less bodies in seats than USF in 2012: Boise State Cincinnati Connecticut The Tin Men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widerberg Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 12 Content Count: 959 Reputation: 136 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/21/2007 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Well, a few differences I see on that list versus USF are: national championships, national name/brand recognition, history, etc. I don't know that anyone has singled out attendance as the metric that defines power or not power. Georgia Tech and Stanford, to count just two, blow us out of the water on just about every metric there is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherapyBull Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 38 Content Count: 197 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/2011 Share Posted June 4, 2013 While it is nice to know that USF had better attendance than these schools, a few things stick out. About half of these schools are private with small enrollments, they just dont have the alumni base to fill a stadium. Duke is the top academic school in the ACC, Vandy is the top academic school in the SEC, Stanford is the top academic school in the PAC 12, and Northwestern is the top academic school in the Big 10. Academics do matter with regards to the power 5, every conference always has a token member for this reason. The SEC is proud of Vandy for bringing up standards. Also I'm pretty sure Wake forest has the smallest enrollment of any BCS program. I was surprised with Georgia tech and Maryland however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullsbucsfan426 Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 129 Content Count: 3,116 Reputation: 473 Days Won: 7 Joined: 11/28/2010 Share Posted June 4, 2013 While it is nice to know that USF had better attendance than these schools, a few things stick out. About half of these schools are private with small enrollments, they just dont have the alumni base to fill a stadium. Duke is the top academic school in the ACC, Vandy is the top academic school in the SEC, Stanford is the top academic school in the PAC 12, and Northwestern is the top academic school in the Big 10. Academics do matter with regards to the power 5, every conference always has a token member for this reason. The SEC is proud of Vandy for bringing up standards. Also I'm pretty sure Wake forest has the smallest enrollment of any BCS program. I was surprised with Georgia tech and Maryland however. Agreed. My youngest cousin just made her college decision to go to wake. It's an excellent school but she is the first person I know to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission9 Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 60 Content Count: 4,078 Reputation: 469 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/09/2003 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I understand the frustration but a lot of those programs have graduates or boosters with deep pockets who give generously (my point is 2nd behind the all important name brand factor which was mentioned above). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hem Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 64 Content Count: 4,663 Reputation: 401 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/24/2012 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Some of those schools really suprise me, especially since we were TERRIBLE in our 2012 season. small private schools and academic powerhouses were ones I expected to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USF_Grouper Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 584 Content Count: 10,369 Reputation: 92 Days Won: 7 Joined: 11/19/2005 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Give ol'Doug a few more years... he'll get our attendance in line with expectations. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charsibb Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 653 Content Count: 31,049 Reputation: 2,487 Days Won: 172 Joined: 08/30/2011 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It's the total package, not any single statistic, that matters. And for most of the power brokers, WE don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoolyBully Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Bull Backers Topic Count: 194 Content Count: 6,788 Reputation: 865 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/01/2000 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It's the total package, not any single statistic, that matters. And for most of the power brokers, WE don't matter. That is true. It's not that one single thing that - if we had this, if we had done that - that determines who gets an invite. As for the Black Hand, they know where to find us if they want us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slbpsi63 Posted June 4, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 12 Content Count: 511 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/19/2006 Share Posted June 4, 2013 The Big East runs Circles around the MWC in total aatendence. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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