MIAMI & the NCAA Situation

[Rizman]

Question is will Miami just get a slap on the wrist or nailed.  My gut says a slap on the wrist because the NCAA did not have ethics in the investigation which will result in Miami getting away with it again.

 

 

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Nevin-Shapiro-Says-He-Bet-on-University-of-Miami-Football-Games-Using-Inside-Info-211411911.html

 

slap on the wrist? Is sitting out 2 bowl games and a berth in the ACC Championship game just a slap on the wrist? Plus there will be some loss of ships. Hardly a slap on the wrist. And what exactly has Miami gotten away with? Want the definition of slap on the wrist, look up the Oregon situation.

 

It's not Miami's fault that the NCAA dragged its feet for 2+ years on this. Schools impose sanctions all the time and the NCAA goes with it, which is what will happen hear. You're just mad that the NCAA wont be dropping the official hammer on Miami because Miami acted before the slow NCAA. 

Based on 9 years of violations it is a slap

[Hurricane Mutiny]

 

 

Finally, let's not forget the Nevin Shapiro is a USF alum.  Unfortunately, he grew up in Miami and loved the Hurricanes more than the Bulls.  But let's not pretend that this situation couldn't have just as easily happened at USF.  With USF's history, your athletic department would have welcomed a "big donor" such as Shapiro.

 

 

Shapiro didn't graduate. He spent 5 years at USF, and never completed his degree. If there's a silver lining to Shapiro and his relationship to USF, it's that he's not technically an alumnus.

 

Speaking of alumni, we have way too many people that graduated from USF during the pre-football years that would rather follow one of the Big-3 simply because they grew up as a fan, have family that attended, or whatever other excuse such a person can drum up. These kinds of USF people make me sick. The reason you're getting paid in whatever vocation you chose is because of your undergraduate degree and combination of graduate/professional degree from whatever institution you went to obtain those.

 

And I agree with you, Mutiny, this kind of donor could have been welcomed at USF. The compliance people at USF, however, are pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes. I don't think that USF would have allowed this type of Shapiro-type culture to proliferate for 8 years like UM did. But that's just my speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes?  UM allowed it to "proliferate" for 8 years?

 

Let's focus on the first part.  If you bother to analyze the ALLEGATIONS, let alone the much smaller subset of what was actually PROVEN, you would see that there were not many "gifts provided to athletes".  Think about what you are saying, before you just use vague language to equate various kinds of behaviors.  I don't disagree that it is possible to be "vigilant" when players are receiving actual items of value, or money.  But that is very different from a guy (supposedly) picking up a check at dinner or allowing guys to stand in his VIP section at a club.

 

Even think about the UNC situation vs. the Miami situation when it comes to picking up a check.  UNC was able to identify what happened when current players were sending out tweets and FB updates which gave evidence that they were in South Florida enjoying the beneficence of others.  Nothing of the sort happened at Miami, and it was years later that Shapiro himself provided some "traditional" photographs, many of which were misleading.  As just one example, the guy with the "photographic memory" told Yahoo that multiple pictures of himself on the football field standing next to UM players were taken at the UM-OSU Fiesta Bowl, yet the players were all wearing the wrong colored jerseys and the background of the photos clearly showed the Orange Bowl architecture.

 

So feel free to elaborate on how USF's staff can be so vigilant of every single meal, club visit, and weekend activity of 85 football players, when they are not posting anything on social media that gives an idea of what they were up to.  However, when a player IS stupid enough to provide evidence so easily, Miami was quick to take action (see, generally, Ray Ray Armstrong).

 

As for your "proliferation" comment, it's just not backed up by anything real.  Shapiro was shady and obnoxious.  Big cities are filled with people like that.  Randy Shannon didn't like Shapiro, but he had NOTHING concrete on which to base that.  The true amount of money that Shapiro paid to UM, in contributions and tickets, is small.  He never finished paying for the ROOM he sponsored in our new Athletic Center.  The infamous bowling tournament photo that he took with Shalala was something that he sprung on her, which is why she is showing surprise and excitement at the event, because nobody was expecting a contribution or a big oversized check.

 

At the end of it all, Shapiro wasn't given a lot of special access.  The other infamous photo of Shapiro standing next to the tunnel before our players came out?  He got that by bidding on the opportunity at a fundraising auction.  He had that kind of access one time in nine years, because he won a fundraising auction.  The access to the crappy old press box at the Orange Bowl?  All Hurricane Club members above a certain level were previously allowed that same access to the tiny rat-trap that we used to call a "press box".

 

It's simply time to de-mythologize all of the nonsense that has built up.  Shapiro had above-average access compared to the average person inside of the stadium, but it was nothing special based on his donor level and the fact that he won a fundraising auction once.  It's embarrassing after-the-fact, but there are plenty of boosters with far more access at many other programs across the country, and occasionally those boosters get arrogant and/or abusive.  Welcome to big-time college athletics.

 

We should be getting our punishment within the next couple of weeks.  At that point, I'm sure that some of our rivals will be disappointed, but hopefully people will read the entire report and realize that most of what Shapiro alleged was never proven.  The Yahoo article sounded horrible, but the stuff that was actually proven was much less.  Some of that is due to the limitations period and the fact that the NCAA couldn't compel former players to speak to them.  Some of that is due to the fact that Shapiro lied and exaggerated at every turn.

 

I have no problems with taking our punishment, so long as it is based on things that are actually proven, and not the ridiculous Yahoo article.

[Triple B]

Holy ****! Did you actually write all that??

[Who'sYourData?]

I am impressed with his vocabulary.

[Gismo]

 

 

 

Finally, let's not forget the Nevin Shapiro is a USF alum.  Unfortunately, he grew up in Miami and loved the Hurricanes more than the Bulls.  But let's not pretend that this situation couldn't have just as easily happened at USF.  With USF's history, your athletic department would have welcomed a "big donor" such as Shapiro.

 

 

Shapiro didn't graduate. He spent 5 years at USF, and never completed his degree. If there's a silver lining to Shapiro and his relationship to USF, it's that he's not technically an alumnus.

 

Speaking of alumni, we have way too many people that graduated from USF during the pre-football years that would rather follow one of the Big-3 simply because they grew up as a fan, have family that attended, or whatever other excuse such a person can drum up. These kinds of USF people make me sick. The reason you're getting paid in whatever vocation you chose is because of your undergraduate degree and combination of graduate/professional degree from whatever institution you went to obtain those.

 

And I agree with you, Mutiny, this kind of donor could have been welcomed at USF. The compliance people at USF, however, are pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes. I don't think that USF would have allowed this type of Shapiro-type culture to proliferate for 8 years like UM did. But that's just my speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes?  UM allowed it to "proliferate" for 8 years?

 

Let's focus on the first part.  If you bother to analyze the ALLEGATIONS, let alone the much smaller subset of what was actually PROVEN, you would see that there were not many "gifts provided to athletes".  Think about what you are saying, before you just use vague language to equate various kinds of behaviors.  I don't disagree that it is possible to be "vigilant" when players are receiving actual items of value, or money.  But that is very different from a guy (supposedly) picking up a check at dinner or allowing guys to stand in his VIP section at a club.

 

Even think about the UNC situation vs. the Miami situation when it comes to picking up a check.  UNC was able to identify what happened when current players were sending out tweets and FB updates which gave evidence that they were in South Florida enjoying the beneficence of others.  Nothing of the sort happened at Miami, and it was years later that Shapiro himself provided some "traditional" photographs, many of which were misleading.  As just one example, the guy with the "photographic memory" told Yahoo that multiple pictures of himself on the football field standing next to UM players were taken at the UM-OSU Fiesta Bowl, yet the players were all wearing the wrong colored jerseys and the background of the photos clearly showed the Orange Bowl architecture.

 

So feel free to elaborate on how USF's staff can be so vigilant of every single meal, club visit, and weekend activity of 85 football players, when they are not posting anything on social media that gives an idea of what they were up to.  However, when a player IS stupid enough to provide evidence so easily, Miami was quick to take action (see, generally, Ray Ray Armstrong).

 

As for your "proliferation" comment, it's just not backed up by anything real.  Shapiro was shady and obnoxious.  Big cities are filled with people like that.  Randy Shannon didn't like Shapiro, but he had NOTHING concrete on which to base that.  The true amount of money that Shapiro paid to UM, in contributions and tickets, is small.  He never finished paying for the ROOM he sponsored in our new Athletic Center.  The infamous bowling tournament photo that he took with Shalala was something that he sprung on her, which is why she is showing surprise and excitement at the event, because nobody was expecting a contribution or a big oversized check.

 

At the end of it all, Shapiro wasn't given a lot of special access.  The other infamous photo of Shapiro standing next to the tunnel before our players came out?  He got that by bidding on the opportunity at a fundraising auction.  He had that kind of access one time in nine years, because he won a fundraising auction.  The access to the crappy old press box at the Orange Bowl?  All Hurricane Club members above a certain level were previously allowed that same access to the tiny rat-trap that we used to call a "press box".

 

It's simply time to de-mythologize all of the nonsense that has built up.  Shapiro had above-average access compared to the average person inside of the stadium, but it was nothing special based on his donor level and the fact that he won a fundraising auction once.  It's embarrassing after-the-fact, but there are plenty of boosters with far more access at many other programs across the country, and occasionally those boosters get arrogant and/or abusive.  Welcome to big-time college athletics.

 

We should be getting our punishment within the next couple of weeks.  At that point, I'm sure that some of our rivals will be disappointed, but hopefully people will read the entire report and realize that most of what Shapiro alleged was never proven.  The Yahoo article sounded horrible, but the stuff that was actually proven was much less.  Some of that is due to the limitations period and the fact that the NCAA couldn't compel former players to speak to them.  Some of that is due to the fact that Shapiro lied and exaggerated at every turn.

 

I have no problems with taking our punishment, so long as it is based on things that are actually proven, and not the ridiculous Yahoo article.

 

 

Three facts for you.... 

 

1). Miami booster was recruiting high school kids with hookers and blow for 8 years. 

 

2). Miami booster was giving sloots, abortions, narcs to the team for 8 years. 

 

3). Miami is screwed. Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elder berries.  I fart in your general direction. That's how bad it is going to be for Miami. 

 

Bonus Fact: NCAA is about to go no lube on the ibis. 

Edited August 15, 2013 by Gismo

[CanesFan77]

 

 

 

 

Finally, let's not forget the Nevin Shapiro is a USF alum.  Unfortunately, he grew up in Miami and loved the Hurricanes more than the Bulls.  But let's not pretend that this situation couldn't have just as easily happened at USF.  With USF's history, your athletic department would have welcomed a "big donor" such as Shapiro.

 

 

Shapiro didn't graduate. He spent 5 years at USF, and never completed his degree. If there's a silver lining to Shapiro and his relationship to USF, it's that he's not technically an alumnus.

 

Speaking of alumni, we have way too many people that graduated from USF during the pre-football years that would rather follow one of the Big-3 simply because they grew up as a fan, have family that attended, or whatever other excuse such a person can drum up. These kinds of USF people make me sick. The reason you're getting paid in whatever vocation you chose is because of your undergraduate degree and combination of graduate/professional degree from whatever institution you went to obtain those.

 

And I agree with you, Mutiny, this kind of donor could have been welcomed at USF. The compliance people at USF, however, are pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes. I don't think that USF would have allowed this type of Shapiro-type culture to proliferate for 8 years like UM did. But that's just my speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes?  UM allowed it to "proliferate" for 8 years?

 

Let's focus on the first part.  If you bother to analyze the ALLEGATIONS, let alone the much smaller subset of what was actually PROVEN, you would see that there were not many "gifts provided to athletes".  Think about what you are saying, before you just use vague language to equate various kinds of behaviors.  I don't disagree that it is possible to be "vigilant" when players are receiving actual items of value, or money.  But that is very different from a guy (supposedly) picking up a check at dinner or allowing guys to stand in his VIP section at a club.

 

Even think about the UNC situation vs. the Miami situation when it comes to picking up a check.  UNC was able to identify what happened when current players were sending out tweets and FB updates which gave evidence that they were in South Florida enjoying the beneficence of others.  Nothing of the sort happened at Miami, and it was years later that Shapiro himself provided some "traditional" photographs, many of which were misleading.  As just one example, the guy with the "photographic memory" told Yahoo that multiple pictures of himself on the football field standing next to UM players were taken at the UM-OSU Fiesta Bowl, yet the players were all wearing the wrong colored jerseys and the background of the photos clearly showed the Orange Bowl architecture.

 

So feel free to elaborate on how USF's staff can be so vigilant of every single meal, club visit, and weekend activity of 85 football players, when they are not posting anything on social media that gives an idea of what they were up to.  However, when a player IS stupid enough to provide evidence so easily, Miami was quick to take action (see, generally, Ray Ray Armstrong).

 

As for your "proliferation" comment, it's just not backed up by anything real.  Shapiro was shady and obnoxious.  Big cities are filled with people like that.  Randy Shannon didn't like Shapiro, but he had NOTHING concrete on which to base that.  The true amount of money that Shapiro paid to UM, in contributions and tickets, is small.  He never finished paying for the ROOM he sponsored in our new Athletic Center.  The infamous bowling tournament photo that he took with Shalala was something that he sprung on her, which is why she is showing surprise and excitement at the event, because nobody was expecting a contribution or a big oversized check.

 

At the end of it all, Shapiro wasn't given a lot of special access.  The other infamous photo of Shapiro standing next to the tunnel before our players came out?  He got that by bidding on the opportunity at a fundraising auction.  He had that kind of access one time in nine years, because he won a fundraising auction.  The access to the crappy old press box at the Orange Bowl?  All Hurricane Club members above a certain level were previously allowed that same access to the tiny rat-trap that we used to call a "press box".

 

It's simply time to de-mythologize all of the nonsense that has built up.  Shapiro had above-average access compared to the average person inside of the stadium, but it was nothing special based on his donor level and the fact that he won a fundraising auction once.  It's embarrassing after-the-fact, but there are plenty of boosters with far more access at many other programs across the country, and occasionally those boosters get arrogant and/or abusive.  Welcome to big-time college athletics.

 

We should be getting our punishment within the next couple of weeks.  At that point, I'm sure that some of our rivals will be disappointed, but hopefully people will read the entire report and realize that most of what Shapiro alleged was never proven.  The Yahoo article sounded horrible, but the stuff that was actually proven was much less.  Some of that is due to the limitations period and the fact that the NCAA couldn't compel former players to speak to them.  Some of that is due to the fact that Shapiro lied and exaggerated at every turn.

 

I have no problems with taking our punishment, so long as it is based on things that are actually proven, and not the ridiculous Yahoo article.

 

 

Three facts for you.... 

 

1). Miami booster was recruiting high school kids with hookers and blow for 8 years. 

 

2). Miami booster was giving sloots, abortions, narcs to the team for 8 years. 

 

3). Miami is screwed. Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elder berries.  I fart in your general direction. That's how bad it is going to be for Miami. 

 

Bonus Fact: NCAA is about to go no lube on the ibis. 

 

 

 

here's the only fact:

 

1. you have no idea what a fact is.

[Paisa el Toro]

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, let's not forget the Nevin Shapiro is a USF alum.  Unfortunately, he grew up in Miami and loved the Hurricanes more than the Bulls.  But let's not pretend that this situation couldn't have just as easily happened at USF.  With USF's history, your athletic department would have welcomed a "big donor" such as Shapiro.

 

 

Shapiro didn't graduate. He spent 5 years at USF, and never completed his degree. If there's a silver lining to Shapiro and his relationship to USF, it's that he's not technically an alumnus.

 

Speaking of alumni, we have way too many people that graduated from USF during the pre-football years that would rather follow one of the Big-3 simply because they grew up as a fan, have family that attended, or whatever other excuse such a person can drum up. These kinds of USF people make me sick. The reason you're getting paid in whatever vocation you chose is because of your undergraduate degree and combination of graduate/professional degree from whatever institution you went to obtain those.

 

And I agree with you, Mutiny, this kind of donor could have been welcomed at USF. The compliance people at USF, however, are pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes. I don't think that USF would have allowed this type of Shapiro-type culture to proliferate for 8 years like UM did. But that's just my speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes?  UM allowed it to "proliferate" for 8 years?

 

Let's focus on the first part.  If you bother to analyze the ALLEGATIONS, let alone the much smaller subset of what was actually PROVEN, you would see that there were not many "gifts provided to athletes".  Think about what you are saying, before you just use vague language to equate various kinds of behaviors.  I don't disagree that it is possible to be "vigilant" when players are receiving actual items of value, or money.  But that is very different from a guy (supposedly) picking up a check at dinner or allowing guys to stand in his VIP section at a club.

 

Even think about the UNC situation vs. the Miami situation when it comes to picking up a check.  UNC was able to identify what happened when current players were sending out tweets and FB updates which gave evidence that they were in South Florida enjoying the beneficence of others.  Nothing of the sort happened at Miami, and it was years later that Shapiro himself provided some "traditional" photographs, many of which were misleading.  As just one example, the guy with the "photographic memory" told Yahoo that multiple pictures of himself on the football field standing next to UM players were taken at the UM-OSU Fiesta Bowl, yet the players were all wearing the wrong colored jerseys and the background of the photos clearly showed the Orange Bowl architecture.

 

So feel free to elaborate on how USF's staff can be so vigilant of every single meal, club visit, and weekend activity of 85 football players, when they are not posting anything on social media that gives an idea of what they were up to.  However, when a player IS stupid enough to provide evidence so easily, Miami was quick to take action (see, generally, Ray Ray Armstrong).

 

As for your "proliferation" comment, it's just not backed up by anything real.  Shapiro was shady and obnoxious.  Big cities are filled with people like that.  Randy Shannon didn't like Shapiro, but he had NOTHING concrete on which to base that.  The true amount of money that Shapiro paid to UM, in contributions and tickets, is small.  He never finished paying for the ROOM he sponsored in our new Athletic Center.  The infamous bowling tournament photo that he took with Shalala was something that he sprung on her, which is why she is showing surprise and excitement at the event, because nobody was expecting a contribution or a big oversized check.

 

At the end of it all, Shapiro wasn't given a lot of special access.  The other infamous photo of Shapiro standing next to the tunnel before our players came out?  He got that by bidding on the opportunity at a fundraising auction.  He had that kind of access one time in nine years, because he won a fundraising auction.  The access to the crappy old press box at the Orange Bowl?  All Hurricane Club members above a certain level were previously allowed that same access to the tiny rat-trap that we used to call a "press box".

 

It's simply time to de-mythologize all of the nonsense that has built up.  Shapiro had above-average access compared to the average person inside of the stadium, but it was nothing special based on his donor level and the fact that he won a fundraising auction once.  It's embarrassing after-the-fact, but there are plenty of boosters with far more access at many other programs across the country, and occasionally those boosters get arrogant and/or abusive.  Welcome to big-time college athletics.

 

We should be getting our punishment within the next couple of weeks.  At that point, I'm sure that some of our rivals will be disappointed, but hopefully people will read the entire report and realize that most of what Shapiro alleged was never proven.  The Yahoo article sounded horrible, but the stuff that was actually proven was much less.  Some of that is due to the limitations period and the fact that the NCAA couldn't compel former players to speak to them.  Some of that is due to the fact that Shapiro lied and exaggerated at every turn.

 

I have no problems with taking our punishment, so long as it is based on things that are actually proven, and not the ridiculous Yahoo article.

 

 

Three facts for you.... 

 

1). Miami booster was recruiting high school kids with hookers and blow for 8 years. 

 

2). Miami booster was giving sloots, abortions, narcs to the team for 8 years. 

 

3). Miami is screwed. Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elder berries.  I fart in your general direction. That's how bad it is going to be for Miami. 

 

Bonus Fact: NCAA is about to go no lube on the ibis. 

 

 

 

here's the only fact:

 

1. you have no idea what a fact is.

 

 

None of us do, including Mutiny.

[Rizman]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, let's not forget the Nevin Shapiro is a USF alum.  Unfortunately, he grew up in Miami and loved the Hurricanes more than the Bulls.  But let's not pretend that this situation couldn't have just as easily happened at USF.  With USF's history, your athletic department would have welcomed a "big donor" such as Shapiro.

 

 

Shapiro didn't graduate. He spent 5 years at USF, and never completed his degree. If there's a silver lining to Shapiro and his relationship to USF, it's that he's not technically an alumnus.

 

Speaking of alumni, we have way too many people that graduated from USF during the pre-football years that would rather follow one of the Big-3 simply because they grew up as a fan, have family that attended, or whatever other excuse such a person can drum up. These kinds of USF people make me sick. The reason you're getting paid in whatever vocation you chose is because of your undergraduate degree and combination of graduate/professional degree from whatever institution you went to obtain those.

 

And I agree with you, Mutiny, this kind of donor could have been welcomed at USF. The compliance people at USF, however, are pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes. I don't think that USF would have allowed this type of Shapiro-type culture to proliferate for 8 years like UM did. But that's just my speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes?  UM allowed it to "proliferate" for 8 years?

 

Let's focus on the first part.  If you bother to analyze the ALLEGATIONS, let alone the much smaller subset of what was actually PROVEN, you would see that there were not many "gifts provided to athletes".  Think about what you are saying, before you just use vague language to equate various kinds of behaviors.  I don't disagree that it is possible to be "vigilant" when players are receiving actual items of value, or money.  But that is very different from a guy (supposedly) picking up a check at dinner or allowing guys to stand in his VIP section at a club.

 

Even think about the UNC situation vs. the Miami situation when it comes to picking up a check.  UNC was able to identify what happened when current players were sending out tweets and FB updates which gave evidence that they were in South Florida enjoying the beneficence of others.  Nothing of the sort happened at Miami, and it was years later that Shapiro himself provided some "traditional" photographs, many of which were misleading.  As just one example, the guy with the "photographic memory" told Yahoo that multiple pictures of himself on the football field standing next to UM players were taken at the UM-OSU Fiesta Bowl, yet the players were all wearing the wrong colored jerseys and the background of the photos clearly showed the Orange Bowl architecture.

 

So feel free to elaborate on how USF's staff can be so vigilant of every single meal, club visit, and weekend activity of 85 football players, when they are not posting anything on social media that gives an idea of what they were up to.  However, when a player IS stupid enough to provide evidence so easily, Miami was quick to take action (see, generally, Ray Ray Armstrong).

 

As for your "proliferation" comment, it's just not backed up by anything real.  Shapiro was shady and obnoxious.  Big cities are filled with people like that.  Randy Shannon didn't like Shapiro, but he had NOTHING concrete on which to base that.  The true amount of money that Shapiro paid to UM, in contributions and tickets, is small.  He never finished paying for the ROOM he sponsored in our new Athletic Center.  The infamous bowling tournament photo that he took with Shalala was something that he sprung on her, which is why she is showing surprise and excitement at the event, because nobody was expecting a contribution or a big oversized check.

 

At the end of it all, Shapiro wasn't given a lot of special access.  The other infamous photo of Shapiro standing next to the tunnel before our players came out?  He got that by bidding on the opportunity at a fundraising auction.  He had that kind of access one time in nine years, because he won a fundraising auction.  The access to the crappy old press box at the Orange Bowl?  All Hurricane Club members above a certain level were previously allowed that same access to the tiny rat-trap that we used to call a "press box".

 

It's simply time to de-mythologize all of the nonsense that has built up.  Shapiro had above-average access compared to the average person inside of the stadium, but it was nothing special based on his donor level and the fact that he won a fundraising auction once.  It's embarrassing after-the-fact, but there are plenty of boosters with far more access at many other programs across the country, and occasionally those boosters get arrogant and/or abusive.  Welcome to big-time college athletics.

 

We should be getting our punishment within the next couple of weeks.  At that point, I'm sure that some of our rivals will be disappointed, but hopefully people will read the entire report and realize that most of what Shapiro alleged was never proven.  The Yahoo article sounded horrible, but the stuff that was actually proven was much less.  Some of that is due to the limitations period and the fact that the NCAA couldn't compel former players to speak to them.  Some of that is due to the fact that Shapiro lied and exaggerated at every turn.

 

I have no problems with taking our punishment, so long as it is based on things that are actually proven, and not the ridiculous Yahoo article.

 

 

Three facts for you.... 

 

1). Miami booster was recruiting high school kids with hookers and blow for 8 years. 

 

2). Miami booster was giving sloots, abortions, narcs to the team for 8 years. 

 

3). Miami is screwed. Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elder berries.  I fart in your general direction. That's how bad it is going to be for Miami. 

 

Bonus Fact: NCAA is about to go no lube on the ibis. 

 

 

 

here's the only fact:

 

1. you have no idea what a fact is.

 

 

None of us do, including Mutiny.

 

Add CanesFan77 as well

[Hurricane Mutiny]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, let's not forget the Nevin Shapiro is a USF alum.  Unfortunately, he grew up in Miami and loved the Hurricanes more than the Bulls.  But let's not pretend that this situation couldn't have just as easily happened at USF.  With USF's history, your athletic department would have welcomed a "big donor" such as Shapiro.

 

 

Shapiro didn't graduate. He spent 5 years at USF, and never completed his degree. If there's a silver lining to Shapiro and his relationship to USF, it's that he's not technically an alumnus.

 

Speaking of alumni, we have way too many people that graduated from USF during the pre-football years that would rather follow one of the Big-3 simply because they grew up as a fan, have family that attended, or whatever other excuse such a person can drum up. These kinds of USF people make me sick. The reason you're getting paid in whatever vocation you chose is because of your undergraduate degree and combination of graduate/professional degree from whatever institution you went to obtain those.

 

And I agree with you, Mutiny, this kind of donor could have been welcomed at USF. The compliance people at USF, however, are pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes. I don't think that USF would have allowed this type of Shapiro-type culture to proliferate for 8 years like UM did. But that's just my speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty vigilant about gifts provided to athletes?  UM allowed it to "proliferate" for 8 years?

 

Let's focus on the first part.  If you bother to analyze the ALLEGATIONS, let alone the much smaller subset of what was actually PROVEN, you would see that there were not many "gifts provided to athletes".  Think about what you are saying, before you just use vague language to equate various kinds of behaviors.  I don't disagree that it is possible to be "vigilant" when players are receiving actual items of value, or money.  But that is very different from a guy (supposedly) picking up a check at dinner or allowing guys to stand in his VIP section at a club.

 

Even think about the UNC situation vs. the Miami situation when it comes to picking up a check.  UNC was able to identify what happened when current players were sending out tweets and FB updates which gave evidence that they were in South Florida enjoying the beneficence of others.  Nothing of the sort happened at Miami, and it was years later that Shapiro himself provided some "traditional" photographs, many of which were misleading.  As just one example, the guy with the "photographic memory" told Yahoo that multiple pictures of himself on the football field standing next to UM players were taken at the UM-OSU Fiesta Bowl, yet the players were all wearing the wrong colored jerseys and the background of the photos clearly showed the Orange Bowl architecture.

 

So feel free to elaborate on how USF's staff can be so vigilant of every single meal, club visit, and weekend activity of 85 football players, when they are not posting anything on social media that gives an idea of what they were up to.  However, when a player IS stupid enough to provide evidence so easily, Miami was quick to take action (see, generally, Ray Ray Armstrong).

 

As for your "proliferation" comment, it's just not backed up by anything real.  Shapiro was shady and obnoxious.  Big cities are filled with people like that.  Randy Shannon didn't like Shapiro, but he had NOTHING concrete on which to base that.  The true amount of money that Shapiro paid to UM, in contributions and tickets, is small.  He never finished paying for the ROOM he sponsored in our new Athletic Center.  The infamous bowling tournament photo that he took with Shalala was something that he sprung on her, which is why she is showing surprise and excitement at the event, because nobody was expecting a contribution or a big oversized check.

 

At the end of it all, Shapiro wasn't given a lot of special access.  The other infamous photo of Shapiro standing next to the tunnel before our players came out?  He got that by bidding on the opportunity at a fundraising auction.  He had that kind of access one time in nine years, because he won a fundraising auction.  The access to the crappy old press box at the Orange Bowl?  All Hurricane Club members above a certain level were previously allowed that same access to the tiny rat-trap that we used to call a "press box".

 

It's simply time to de-mythologize all of the nonsense that has built up.  Shapiro had above-average access compared to the average person inside of the stadium, but it was nothing special based on his donor level and the fact that he won a fundraising auction once.  It's embarrassing after-the-fact, but there are plenty of boosters with far more access at many other programs across the country, and occasionally those boosters get arrogant and/or abusive.  Welcome to big-time college athletics.

 

We should be getting our punishment within the next couple of weeks.  At that point, I'm sure that some of our rivals will be disappointed, but hopefully people will read the entire report and realize that most of what Shapiro alleged was never proven.  The Yahoo article sounded horrible, but the stuff that was actually proven was much less.  Some of that is due to the limitations period and the fact that the NCAA couldn't compel former players to speak to them.  Some of that is due to the fact that Shapiro lied and exaggerated at every turn.

 

I have no problems with taking our punishment, so long as it is based on things that are actually proven, and not the ridiculous Yahoo article.

 

 

Three facts for you.... 

 

1). Miami booster was recruiting high school kids with hookers and blow for 8 years. 

 

2). Miami booster was giving sloots, abortions, narcs to the team for 8 years. 

 

3). Miami is screwed. Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elder berries.  I fart in your general direction. That's how bad it is going to be for Miami. 

 

Bonus Fact: NCAA is about to go no lube on the ibis. 

 

 

 

here's the only fact:

 

1. you have no idea what a fact is.

 

 

None of us do, including Mutiny.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously?

 

I just think it's funny how quickly some of you choose to dismiss my comments.

[Rizman]

Taking money from a booster for 8 years, yep nothing should happen to the program.