Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

[Bull94]

that guy is complete BS...

the networks do not beg for this stuff.

And you know this ... how? Are you still in denial that ESPN is and has been pulling some strings re: realignment this whole time?

He is at least spot on on that assessment.

He has been right about some things.

that dude has thrown so much stuff out there he is bound to hit on something.he basically lists any possible scenario even the most outlandish ones. when it happens he says I told you so. same thing fortune tellers do.

[cmhatter]

Yeah I think he's full of it. Gets a kick out of his followers I'm sure.

[CincyBull]

"ACC in talks with UConn, Louisville, South Florida and Cincinnati about 14th team to replace Maryland, source told @CBSSports." https://twitter.com/JFowlerCBS

"I am hearing GT and UVA to the Big 10 by next week. At least that's what I'm hearing" https://twitter.com/mhver3

Then ACC will take Uconn, Louisville, Cincy... Rutgers will be in Big10. Leaves USF all alone. Our only hope is a move by the Big 12 for a FL school.

Not sure why you think they'd pick Cincy over USF. Doesn't make sense on a lot of levels. I don't think USF gets in to replace Maryland, but I definitely think it gets in to replace GT or UVA. Can't say I have any facts or figures, but USF is overall a better choice than Cincy.

I'm curious as to why you think USF is more attractive than Cincy?

Cincy adds a market to the ACC (#34 biggest market in the country), USF adds no new market

Cincy opens up Ohio recruiting to the ACC (one of the top 3 recruiting states in the country) vs 2 FL schools already in ACC

Cincy has higher rated academics

USF is a larger school (enrollment), but UC still has 42,000 students

Cincy has stronger basketball history (2 national titles, 26 tournament appearances) vs USF's 2 appearances

Cincy has recent success in football (won 3 of last 4 Big East titles)

Not saying Cincy is a lock to be picked up over USF, or that either of them will be picked up at any point by the ACC, just curious as to what your reasoning is behind why USF is such a better choice.

I love both schools, I hope both land somewhere great (preferably together), just have to politely disagree with your overall statement.

[CPR]

"ACC in talks with UConn, Louisville, South Florida and Cincinnati about 14th team to replace Maryland, source told @CBSSports." https://twitter.com/JFowlerCBS

"I am hearing GT and UVA to the Big 10 by next week. At least that's what I'm hearing" https://twitter.com/mhver3

Then ACC will take Uconn, Louisville, Cincy... Rutgers will be in Big10. Leaves USF all alone. Our only hope is a move by the Big 12 for a FL school.

Not sure why you think they'd pick Cincy over USF. Doesn't make sense on a lot of levels. I don't think USF gets in to replace Maryland, but I definitely think it gets in to replace GT or UVA. Can't say I have any facts or figures, but USF is overall a better choice than Cincy.

I'm curious as to why you think USF is more attractive than Cincy?

Cincy adds a market to the ACC (#34 biggest market in the country), USF adds no new market

Cincy opens up Ohio recruiting to the ACC (one of the top 3 recruiting states in the country) vs 2 FL schools already in ACC

Cincy has higher rated academics

USF is a larger school (enrollment), but UC still has 42,000 students

Cincy has stronger basketball history (2 national titles, 26 tournament appearances) vs USF's 2 appearances

Cincy has recent success in football (won 3 of last 4 Big East titles)

Not saying Cincy is a lock to be picked up over USF, or that either of them will be picked up at any point by the ACC, just curious as to what your reasoning is behind why USF is such a better choice.

I love both schools, I hope both land somewhere great (preferably together), just have to politely disagree with your overall statement.

Homerism. Oh and great points. The biggest one is the 2 FL schools already in the ACC.

Edited November 19, 2012 by CPR

[TallyBull]

"ACC in talks with UConn, Louisville, South Florida and Cincinnati about 14th team to replace Maryland, source told @CBSSports." https://twitter.com/JFowlerCBS

"I am hearing GT and UVA to the Big 10 by next week. At least that's what I'm hearing" https://twitter.com/mhver3

Then ACC will take Uconn, Louisville, Cincy... Rutgers will be in Big10. Leaves USF all alone. Our only hope is a move by the Big 12 for a FL school.

Not sure why you think they'd pick Cincy over USF. Doesn't make sense on a lot of levels. I don't think USF gets in to replace Maryland, but I definitely think it gets in to replace GT or UVA. Can't say I have any facts or figures, but USF is overall a better choice than Cincy.

I'm curious as to why you think USF is more attractive than Cincy?

Cincy adds a market to the ACC (#34 biggest market in the country), USF adds no new market

Cincy opens up Ohio recruiting to the ACC (one of the top 3 recruiting states in the country) vs 2 FL schools already in ACC

Cincy has higher rated academics

USF is a larger school (enrollment), but UC still has 42,000 students

Cincy has stronger basketball history (2 national titles, 26 tournament appearances) vs USF's 2 appearances

Cincy has recent success in football (won 3 of last 4 Big East titles)

Not saying Cincy is a lock to be picked up over USF, or that either of them will be picked up at any point by the ACC, just curious as to what your reasoning is behind why USF is such a better choice.

I love both schools, I hope both land somewhere great (preferably together), just have to politely disagree with your overall statement.

I disagree with your statement that adding USF doesn't add a market. We can quibble about how much of the Tampa market FSU and Miami capture, but Tampa has hosted Super Bowls and anchors central Florida. There's a strong demographic shift in the U.S. going on, to the south from the midwest. Also, keep in mind that the ACC has Clemson, Wake, North Carolina, and NC State - FOUR Carolina schools, three in North Carolina. One could make the argument that the ACC doesn't need all of these Carolina schools. If the ACC were inclined to follow the demographic shift and expand into a major metropolitan area, Tampa would get the nod over Cincy, to add just a third football school in one of the largest states in the union. USF also has a strong reputation in research, and neither school is AAU (although I bet USF will be within 10 years). While I'm not a fan of RJS, in the interim it is a better stadium than Nippert, and USF has room to grow, whereas I've heard Cincy doesn't.

Those are some of my thoughts. Ultimately, like everyone else on this board, I'm just reading tea leaves. I have nothing against Cincy, although I love USF more than Cincy so I hope I'm right and you're wrong.

[TallyBull]

"ACC in talks with UConn, Louisville, South Florida and Cincinnati about 14th team to replace Maryland, source told @CBSSports." https://twitter.com/JFowlerCBS

"I am hearing GT and UVA to the Big 10 by next week. At least that's what I'm hearing" https://twitter.com/mhver3

Then ACC will take Uconn, Louisville, Cincy... Rutgers will be in Big10. Leaves USF all alone. Our only hope is a move by the Big 12 for a FL school.

Not sure why you think they'd pick Cincy over USF. Doesn't make sense on a lot of levels. I don't think USF gets in to replace Maryland, but I definitely think it gets in to replace GT or UVA. Can't say I have any facts or figures, but USF is overall a better choice than Cincy.

I'm curious as to why you think USF is more attractive than Cincy?

Cincy adds a market to the ACC (#34 biggest market in the country), USF adds no new market

Cincy opens up Ohio recruiting to the ACC (one of the top 3 recruiting states in the country) vs 2 FL schools already in ACC

Cincy has higher rated academics

USF is a larger school (enrollment), but UC still has 42,000 students

Cincy has stronger basketball history (2 national titles, 26 tournament appearances) vs USF's 2 appearances

Cincy has recent success in football (won 3 of last 4 Big East titles)

Not saying Cincy is a lock to be picked up over USF, or that either of them will be picked up at any point by the ACC, just curious as to what your reasoning is behind why USF is such a better choice.

I love both schools, I hope both land somewhere great (preferably together), just have to politely disagree with your overall statement.

Homerism. Oh and great points. The biggest one is the 2 FL schools already in the ACC.

You can call me a homer if you want to. Not sure what that accomplishes. I still think Tampa is overall a better future choice for the ACC than Cincy. I think both UofL and Cincy would do better in the BIg 12. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, because ultimately that's all we can do. And post on this board.

[jjlovecub]

Not much work done today thanks to this thread. Oh and it made me finally break down and get a Twitter account. Hoping someday soon there is a celebration thread going on here.

[BullFan98]

If the B10 could get GaTech and Notre Dame then that would be a death blow to the ACC... if the SEC somehow could get FSU and Clemson then the ACC would be left in ruins.

Right now we have a 25% chance of getting into the ACC... if its all about TV market size then we have the best shot out of our BEast competition. Sure UConn gets a share of the NY-NJ market but seriously how many New Yorkers or New Jersians are watching UConn athletics?

Big basketball following, football and other sports not so much.

[BullFan98]

We NEED to get in. Get in, fire Skip, hire a good coordinator who won't leave since we'd be in a power conference....I hate setting myself up for failure.

The continued realignment discussion will keep the Adm. from firing Holtz. All of USF's money needs to be utilized to get out of the BE and into another conference should the opportunity present itself.

[CincyBull]

"ACC in talks with UConn, Louisville, South Florida and Cincinnati about 14th team to replace Maryland, source told @CBSSports." https://twitter.com/JFowlerCBS

"I am hearing GT and UVA to the Big 10 by next week. At least that's what I'm hearing" https://twitter.com/mhver3

Then ACC will take Uconn, Louisville, Cincy... Rutgers will be in Big10. Leaves USF all alone. Our only hope is a move by the Big 12 for a FL school.

Not sure why you think they'd pick Cincy over USF. Doesn't make sense on a lot of levels. I don't think USF gets in to replace Maryland, but I definitely think it gets in to replace GT or UVA. Can't say I have any facts or figures, but USF is overall a better choice than Cincy.

I'm curious as to why you think USF is more attractive than Cincy?

Cincy adds a market to the ACC (#34 biggest market in the country), USF adds no new market

Cincy opens up Ohio recruiting to the ACC (one of the top 3 recruiting states in the country) vs 2 FL schools already in ACC

Cincy has higher rated academics

USF is a larger school (enrollment), but UC still has 42,000 students

Cincy has stronger basketball history (2 national titles, 26 tournament appearances) vs USF's 2 appearances

Cincy has recent success in football (won 3 of last 4 Big East titles)

Not saying Cincy is a lock to be picked up over USF, or that either of them will be picked up at any point by the ACC, just curious as to what your reasoning is behind why USF is such a better choice.

I love both schools, I hope both land somewhere great (preferably together), just have to politely disagree with your overall statement.

I disagree with your statement that adding USF doesn't add a market. We can quibble about how much of the Tampa market FSU and Miami capture, but Tampa has hosted Super Bowls and anchors central Florida. There's a strong demographic shift in the U.S. going on, to the south from the midwest. Also, keep in mind that the ACC has Clemson, Wake, North Carolina, and NC State - FOUR Carolina schools, three in North Carolina. One could make the argument that the ACC doesn't need all of these Carolina schools. If the ACC were inclined to follow the demographic shift and expand into a major metropolitan area, Tampa would get the nod over Cincy, to add just a third football school in one of the largest states in the union. USF also has a strong reputation in research, and neither school is AAU (although I bet USF will be within 10 years). While I'm not a fan of RJS, in the interim it is a better stadium than Nippert, and USF has room to grow, whereas I've heard Cincy doesn't.

Those are some of my thoughts. Ultimately, like everyone else on this board, I'm just reading tea leaves. I have nothing against Cincy, although I love USF more than Cincy so I hope I'm right and you're wrong.

UC is top 20 in research, USF is top 50. But yes, both have strong research ties, especially with USF creating CAMLS recently, which is incredible. I'm not sure what you mean by "room to grow", if you care to elaborate. And stadium wise, it's all up to personal opinion, Ray Jay is big, great concessions, easy to get around, but Nippert has an atmosphere that not many places in college football can come close to. But if stadiums are a concern, UC has already been in talks with Paul Brown Stadium (Bengals) to use PBS if UC were to move to a larger conference. So, I get what you're saying, but unless I'm not seeing something, I think research and stadiums are both a wash. With regards to location, I think only the head of the ACC could really answer on which works best for their future, we can all discuss it, but unfortunately no one has any clue as to what's actually going through the minds of the few at the top at this moment. I just hope both USF and UC cut a great deal that benefits both schools in the future. Both are fast growing schools with so much potential and upside, both located in great cities with plenty to do, and both with growing fan bases that are excited about their programs.