ESPN: Your comprehensive guide to the 2021 college basketball coaching hot seat

[puc86]

Just now, BrassBulls12 said:

So in your example about how it impacted everyone equally, you cite one team who was shut down completely and on team who lost one player on offense for one game? 

The examples are never ending. The only reason to think we were more impacted is to only look at us in a vacuum and ignore every other program and their situations.

[BrassBulls12]

1 minute ago, puc86 said:

The examples are never ending. The only reason to think we were more impacted is to only look at us in a vacuum and ignore every other program and their situations.

Or accept that our situation and everyone else's was unique. As you said the examples are endless and as your cited examples show, they are on very wide spectrum 

Edited March 5, 2021 by BrassBulls12

[puc86]

1 minute ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Or accept that our situation ad everyone else's was unique 

Unique doesn’t necessarily mean worse, I am sure they could be put into buckets and while unique I am pretty sure our bucket would be much closer to the middle than all alone at the bottom.

[BrassBulls12]

Just now, puc86 said:

Unique doesn’t necessarily mean worse, I am sure they could be put into buckets and while unique I am pretty sure our bucket would be much closer to the middle than all alone at the bottom.

except you can't be. But after you figure that out, you can start looking at who would comparable. But you also have to look at teams who had lost 14 of their last 16 games against current FBS opponents before the new coach took over.  We weren't' exactly an optimistic 4-8 

[zarnozdabull]

11 hours ago, puc86 said:

Sorry but most people in any other situation in life would not consider someone getting back to where they started as improvement.

For CJS the starting point was 2020.

If we perform better than we did in 2020 (which we will), then that's improvement.

By definition .

[puc86]

5 minutes ago, zarnozdabull said:

For CJS the starting point was 2020.

If we perform better than we did in 2020 (which we will), then that's improvement.

By definition .

We disagree on the premise for me you are measured initially by who you replaced as if he had 6 wins last season we would have all praises his improvement and not dismissed it as simply the starting point that CCS created for him.

[puc86]

9 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

except you can't be. But after you figure that out, you can start looking at who would comparable. But you also have to look at teams who had lost 14 of their last 16 games against current FBS opponents before the new coach took over.  We weren't' exactly an optimistic 4-8 

There is no such thing as an optimistic 4-8 in my eyes before optimism can be attempted to be garnered you have to at least crack .500.

[zarnozdabull]

3 minutes ago, puc86 said:

We disagree on the premise for me you are measured initially by who you replaced as if he had 6 wins last season we would have all praises his improvement and not dismissed it as simply the starting point that CCS created for him.

Not even Nick Saban could've gotten 6 wins with our team last year. The fact that you completely disregard context is astonishing.

[BrassBulls12]

6 minutes ago, puc86 said:

There is no such thing as an optimistic 4-8 in my eyes before optimism can be attempted to be garnered you have to at least crack .500.

Optimistic- 4-8, a roster with good young talent that just can't finish but most return including a solid QB and a good signature win to show what's there. 

non optimistic 4-8 with serious QB concerns and losing 4 straight and the biggest win is a 7-6 BYU.

[puc86]

Just now, zarnozdabull said:

Not even Nick Saban could've gotten 6 wins with our team last year. The fact that you completely disregard context is astonishing.

That it would be difficult is why it would get praise as would 5 wins, 3-4 would be holding serve and getting 1 is failure. Do you honestly believe that it was not possible for anyone to have won 3 games last season?