New defense, new offense, does CWT get 2 more years?

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

I don't see how our low rated recruiting class this year is because we are waiting on undecided recruits that will commit late. The classes are ranked in relation to other teams in the country. Presumably all teams would suffer from similar situations of undecided recruits which wouldn't effect the rankings. Unless you are saying that USF has an abnormal number of recruits committing late. Last years class was looking good and rated higher than 50 from very early on.

players tend to commit to their best offer early if they commit early at all. Taggart is going after players that have better offers right now.

 

last year we had about 10 3 or 4 star high school players commit after January 1 according to rivals. not all have dates listed.

 

they include guys like D'Ernest johnson who had offers from west virginia and many others or bayes who had offers from wisconsin and west virginia.

 

it's not uncommon to pick up quite a bit of your talent late whhen you are in our position. we are not alabama or florida where people jump at their offers.

 

we are second choice (maybe even lower) for many players that just happen to fall to us when other situations don't pan out. sometimes these players do want to go elsewhere but a scholarship falls through or that school only had them as a backup and their first choice signs. sometimes our coaches sway them at the last minute and yes sometimes we get lucky and a guy wants to stay close to home and commits early.

 

that's how it works for programs like ours. we get the players that are backup plan for big time schools. once their rosters fill out then we start getting leftovers. better than getting an early commit that only has offers from middle tennessee state.

 

 

You gotta look at the year not just the month and day. Jimmy Bayes was committed to USF for over a year. He was actively recruiting on behalf of Taggart. He committed on 1/30/2013 and signed his letter of intent on 2/5/2014. According to Rivals 7 of our 28 committed after 1/1/2014. We're going to need another situation like that to make this a really good class. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just not confident it will after another bad year.

 

 

If you've been following this program since the CJL years you would know that this is when we do our best work.  Just some names for consideration, Dede Lattimore, Kayvon Lattimore, JPP, Sam Barrington and the list goes on and on,  Due to our spot in the pecking order we usually get our best players late....

 

 

Yes I have. I am very aware how recruiting here works. There are three points that I was making with this whole thing.

 

1. As of right now (according to rankings) our class is not that impressive (fact)
2. National signing day is a month and a half away (fact)
3. Given how poorly we performed again this past season I am not confident Taggart pulls in the quality of recruits he did last year at the last minute (my opinion). I am not saying it won't or can't be done. I am saying I am not banking on it.

[bullsfan1983]

If we are truly going to the spread we should be advertising that to recruits. There is still time get a good QB commit. I don't think any decent QB wants to come play in the USF offense of the past 2 years.

[mellobull]

If we are truly going to the spread we should be advertising that to recruits. There is still time get a good QB commit. I don't think any decent QB wants to come play in the USF offense of the past 2 years.

The 3 star ( 247 ) QB that is coming from Ohio is decent no ? Brett Kean is his name .  He just took his team to the State of Ohio,s  Div. 1 High School Football  state title  . And he is chopping at the bit to get to USF .

[JTrue]

So he's Mike Whitw from Ohio. They better add some more numbers to the scoreboard.

[Bull94]

 

 

 

 

I don't see how our low rated recruiting class this year is because we are waiting on undecided recruits that will commit late. The classes are ranked in relation to other teams in the country. Presumably all teams would suffer from similar situations of undecided recruits which wouldn't effect the rankings. Unless you are saying that USF has an abnormal number of recruits committing late. Last years class was looking good and rated higher than 50 from very early on.

players tend to commit to their best offer early if they commit early at all. Taggart is going after players that have better offers right now.

 

last year we had about 10 3 or 4 star high school players commit after January 1 according to rivals. not all have dates listed.

 

they include guys like D'Ernest johnson who had offers from west virginia and many others or bayes who had offers from wisconsin and west virginia.

 

it's not uncommon to pick up quite a bit of your talent late whhen you are in our position. we are not alabama or florida where people jump at their offers.

 

we are second choice (maybe even lower) for many players that just happen to fall to us when other situations don't pan out. sometimes these players do want to go elsewhere but a scholarship falls through or that school only had them as a backup and their first choice signs. sometimes our coaches sway them at the last minute and yes sometimes we get lucky and a guy wants to stay close to home and commits early.

 

that's how it works for programs like ours. we get the players that are backup plan for big time schools. once their rosters fill out then we start getting leftovers. better than getting an early commit that only has offers from middle tennessee state.

 

 

You gotta look at the year not just the month and day. Jimmy Bayes was committed to USF for over a year. He was actively recruiting on behalf of Taggart. He committed on 1/30/2013 and signed his letter of intent on 2/5/2014. According to Rivals 7 of our 28 committed after 1/1/2014. We're going to need another situation like that to make this a really good class. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just not confident it will after another bad year.

 

 

If you've been following this program since the CJL years you would know that this is when we do our best work.  Just some names for consideration, Dede Lattimore, Kayvon Lattimore, JPP, Sam Barrington and the list goes on and on,  Due to our spot in the pecking order we usually get our best players late....

 

 

Yes I have. I am very aware how recruiting here works. There are three points that I was making with this whole thing.

 

1. As of right now (according to rankings) our class is not that impressive (fact)
2. National signing day is a month and a half away (fact)
3. Given how poorly we performed again this past season I am not confident Taggart pulls in the quality of recruits he did last year at the last minute (my opinion). I am not saying it won't or can't be done. I am saying I am not banking on it.

 

your rankings don't include the top JUCO o-lineman in the country or the 4 star transfer o-lineman from Stanford

[JTrue]

I don't see how our low rated recruiting class this year is because we are waiting on undecided recruits that will commit late. The classes are ranked in relation to other teams in the country. Presumably all teams would suffer from similar situations of undecided recruits which wouldn't effect the rankings. Unless you are saying that USF has an abnormal number of recruits committing late. Last years class was looking good and rated higher than 50 from very early on.

players tend to commit to their best offer early if they commit early at all. Taggart is going after players that have better offers right now.

last year we had about 10 3 or 4 star high school players commit after January 1 according to rivals. not all have dates listed.

they include guys like D'Ernest johnson who had offers from west virginia and many others or bayes who had offers from wisconsin and west virginia.

it's not uncommon to pick up quite a bit of your talent late whhen you are in our position. we are not alabama or florida where people jump at their offers.

we are second choice (maybe even lower) for many players that just happen to fall to us when other situations don't pan out. sometimes these players do want to go elsewhere but a scholarship falls through or that school only had them as a backup and their first choice signs. sometimes our coaches sway them at the last minute and yes sometimes we get lucky and a guy wants to stay close to home and commits early.

that's how it works for programs like ours. we get the players that are backup plan for big time schools. once their rosters fill out then we start getting leftovers. better than getting an early commit that only has offers from middle tennessee state.

You gotta look at the year not just the month and day. Jimmy Bayes was committed to USF for over a year. He was actively recruiting on behalf of Taggart. He committed on 1/30/2013 and signed his letter of intent on 2/5/2014. According to Rivals 7 of our 28 committed after 1/1/2014. We're going to need another situation like that to make this a really good class. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just not confident it will after another bad year.

If you've been following this program since the CJL years you would know that this is when we do our best work. Just some names for consideration, Dede Lattimore, Kayvon Lattimore, JPP, Sam Barrington and the list goes on and on, Due to our spot in the pecking order we usually get our best players late....

Yes I have. I am very aware how recruiting here works. There are three points that I was making with this whole thing.

• As of right now (according to rankings) our class is not that impressive (fact)
• National signing day is a month and a half away (fact)
• Given how poorly we performed again this past season I am not confident Taggart pulls in the quality of recruits he did last year at the last minute (my opinion). I am not saying it won't or can't be done. I am saying I am not banking on it.

your rankings don't include the top JUCO o-lineman in the country or the 4 star transfer o-lineman from Stanford

That's because transfers aren't recruits and Bethel isn't the top juco lineman in the country.

[CPR]

 

If we are truly going to the spread we should be advertising that to recruits. There is still time get a good QB commit. I don't think any decent QB wants to come play in the USF offense of the past 2 years.

The 3 star ( 247 ) QB that is coming from Ohio is decent no ? Brett Kean is his name .  He just took his team to the State of Ohio,s  Div. 1 High School Football  state title  . And he is chopping at the bit to get to USF .

 

 

No, if you're relying on him to be the great QB we need, then you're gonna have a bad time. He's average at best.

[Apis Bull]

 

 

If we are truly going to the spread we should be advertising that to recruits. There is still time get a good QB commit. I don't think any decent QB wants to come play in the USF offense of the past 2 years.

The 3 star ( 247 ) QB that is coming from Ohio is decent no ? Brett Kean is his name .  He just took his team to the State of Ohio,s  Div. 1 High School Football  state title  . And he is chopping at the bit to get to USF .

 

 

No, if you're relying on him to be the great QB we need, then you're gonna have a bad time. He's average at best.

 

 

Right now, I'd settle for average.

[jdbash]

Harlan doesn't care about the new OC/DC in regrads to Taggart's job security. He's had his 2 year experimental/testing/recruiting/figure it out phase and now it's time to win.

We play in the tragedy known as the american athletic conference. USF should be winning 8 games a year minimum moving forward playing in this conference.

you do realize a big part of why people thinks this conference is a tradegy is because we are a part of it,right?

BTW I don't think we are positioned any better than SMU Houston Cincy UCF ECU etc.

All of them have had far more success at this level than we ever have had.

Not sure why so many of our fans think we are some blue blood that should look down on our conference competition.

is it because we beat a 7-6 FSU team or 4 loss Auburm team?

We are not college football royalty. Some of our fans need to wake up and realize this.

Wow. Hats off to you sir--- you get it. Your fanbase should not being looking down and not to sound condescending put it reeks of a young fanbase who hasn't seen bad times. You are spot on that football is cyclical and many programs that haven't had big success in years of late have done big things in their past. Other programs are now finding success and being the best of the rest could help these progams... Case in point is Memphis. I am not sure what causes your fans to be this way. Perhaps it was relative success with such a young program. I can tell you UCF fans don't see things this way and our coaches never have and never will. Never underestimate your opponent.

USFs successes are nothing to scoff at, but some of you guys are delusional. #2 is impressive , but wasn't it an early midseason ranking? Beating FSU is impressive, but wasn't it at a relative low? UCF lost to Miami by 1 as a mid major..close game in the same time period...would it have been a big deal if we would have won then as a midmajor? Sure, but I don't think we would be holding onto that today. What was USF's overall record against fsu and miami during that time? Pretty sure you beat them at their worst years.

Hey, you still beat them..kudos..more than we have done....but neither USF nor UCF should be looking down on any program. And many of you act like you were conference champs beating bcs competition week in and week out...with a BCS tag you simply werent...get over it. You guys were really fortunate to start a football program and walk into the Big East. Unfortunately there is no such thing as the BCS anymore. Imagine being a d3 football program, working your way to d1 over 25 years, getting passed over by a school FB program a few years old 90 miles away, finally making a BCS conference, having that stripped away and to top it off p5/g5 being a worse division than bcs/ midmajor. I think you have an entitled fanbase, but some of you get it. Stop whining. And another thing...pulling your tickets is weak. Try 0-17 and we were still there pretty strong..support your football program until it corrects itself rather than act like a spoiled brat. Hopefully we both get picked up by big12 somehow someway. Only way will be to go through tv nnetworks. Maybe **** Nunis can make some calls to ESPN. He is on our board..lol.

Edited December 21, 2014 by jdbash

[CPR]

 

 

 

If we are truly going to the spread we should be advertising that to recruits. There is still time get a good QB commit. I don't think any decent QB wants to come play in the USF offense of the past 2 years.

The 3 star ( 247 ) QB that is coming from Ohio is decent no ? Brett Kean is his name .  He just took his team to the State of Ohio,s  Div. 1 High School Football  state title  . And he is chopping at the bit to get to USF .

 

 

No, if you're relying on him to be the great QB we need, then you're gonna have a bad time. He's average at best.

 

 

Right now, I'd settle for average.

 

 

I'd settle for average too, but he's not going to play as a true freshman. My hope is we snag a transfer/JUCO that can play immediately, more like a Brissett/Trickett, not like a Bench.