Jump to content
  • USF Bulls fans join us at The Bulls Pen

    It's simple, free and connects you to other South Florida Bulls fans!

  • Members do not see this ad, Register

Anyone miss Holtz yet?


Recommended Posts


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  4
  • Content Count:  839
  • Reputation:   125
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  09/17/2013

The problem with Taggart is that unlike Holtz in the majority of the games we have played we haven't even been competitive. This dispite the conference taking big steps back in quality the past 2 years. In 13 of the 21 games Taggart has coached, USF has lost by more than 10 points. That is a 61.9% rate where the games aren't even competitive. To put that in perspective, from 2005-2009 Leavitt lost 13 of 64 games by more than 10 points or 20.3%. Holtz lost 7 of 37 games by more than 10 or 18.9%. So under Taggart there are roughly 3 times as many non competitive games, the majority of games where we take the field. This is why fan support is tanking.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  553
  • Content Count:  14,405
  • Reputation:   434
  • Days Won:  13
  • Joined:  07/25/2008

 

 

 

 

 

This is Taggarts team. He has been here 21/2 years and the product on the field is poo. Other teams start true freshmen and sophmores and if this class was so good, like everyone brags it is then Tags is the problem not Holtz. He is gone Move on!

Don't mean to poop on your pity party, but Taggart has literally been here a year and 9 months.

But don't let the facts get in your way.

Likewise when making an argument CWT is doing a better job than CSH did. The only thing you can say for CWT is that he might become a better coach. But then again, Mike White might become an All-America if we're playing that game.
Taggart is the 5th youngest head coach in college football coaching a roster full of freshman and sophomores. Holtz is in his rebound job where 85% of his starters came from the previous coach.

So you believe CWT is currently doing a better job than CSH?

 

recruiting. yes. haven't been impressed with either of them for on-field coaching.

 

I think Holtz was left with a much better situation than Taggart. The only difference in results so far is that holtz landed a quality QB transfer and Taggart didn't. huge mistake on Taggart's part. That's only good for one year though. eventually Holtz lack of recruiting will catch up to him just like it did here.

 

it's tough to compare their careers because Taggart is so young. our job might well have been the pinnacle of Holtz career. too early to say whether or not it's Taggarts but he is still considered on the uptrend of his career while Holtz is not.

 

 

His receivers don't have stone hands either. And his OL blocks. And his scheme works with the talent. You can't have the #2 passing offense in CFB with JUST a QB. You think if CWT took over LaTech would have a top 15 offense?

 

EDIT: Those rankings were from a couple weeks ago. Now they are 38th in passing yards, 27th in points for.

Edited by slick1ru2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  22
  • Content Count:  8,722
  • Reputation:   992
  • Days Won:  23
  • Joined:  02/02/2005

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is Taggarts team. He has been here 21/2 years and the product on the field is poo. Other teams start true freshmen and sophmores and if this class was so good, like everyone brags it is then Tags is the problem not Holtz. He is gone Move on!

Don't mean to poop on your pity party, but Taggart has literally been here a year and 9 months.

But don't let the facts get in your way.

Likewise when making an argument CWT is doing a better job than CSH did. The only thing you can say for CWT is that he might become a better coach. But then again, Mike White might become an All-America if we're playing that game.
Taggart is the 5th youngest head coach in college football coaching a roster full of freshman and sophomores. Holtz is in his rebound job where 85% of his starters came from the previous coach.

So you believe CWT is currently doing a better job than CSH?

 

recruiting. yes. haven't been impressed with either of them for on-field coaching.

 

I think Holtz was left with a much better situation than Taggart. The only difference in results so far is that holtz landed a quality QB transfer and Taggart didn't. huge mistake on Taggart's part. That's only good for one year though. eventually Holtz lack of recruiting will catch up to him just like it did here.

 

it's tough to compare their careers because Taggart is so young. our job might well have been the pinnacle of Holtz career. too early to say whether or not it's Taggarts but he is still considered on the uptrend of his career while Holtz is not.

 

 

His receivers don't have stone hands either. And his OL blocks. And his scheme works with the talent. You can't have the #2 passing offense in CFB with JUST a QB. You think if CWT took over LaTech would have a top 15 offense?

 

his o-line was the previous coach's recruits. just as ours is his doing. same with the receivers with the exception of sterling griffin.

 

Yes I do believe the #30 passing offense (according to espn) #37 if you go by yards per game has everything to do with the QB.

 

Can you explain why they were the #99 passing offense last year with almost the same exact personnel with the exception of the QB?

 

please don't tell me it was because he changed his scheme to suit his players.

 

oh and even with that QB and a running back that has led the team in rushing 3 years straight and playing crappy c-usa defenses he ranks as the 65th best offense by total yards this year. of course that's better than the 100 ranking last year. guess he just couldn't adapt his scheme to his talent last year.

 

you must have been looking at western kentucky(Tags old team and QB) they are the #2 passing offense in the country.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards

Edited by Bull94
Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  2
  • Content Count:  822
  • Reputation:   77
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  03/13/2012

The problem with Taggart is that unlike Holtz in the majority of the games we have played we haven't even been competitive. This dispite the conference taking big steps back in quality the past 2 years. In 13 of the 21 games Taggart has coached, USF has lost by more than 10 points. That is a 61.9% rate where the games aren't even competitive. To put that in perspective, from 2005-2009 Leavitt lost 13 of 64 games by more than 10 points or 20.3%. Holtz lost 7 of 37 games by more than 10 or 18.9%. So under Taggart there are roughly 3 times as many non competitive games, the majority of games where we take the field. This is why fan support is tanking.

Losing close may feel better to some.. .But a loss is a loss. And a win is a win. No matter how close or not the win or loss is. To me, it does not matter how close we were in games. But I understand your general point in relation to the general fan base.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  553
  • Content Count:  14,405
  • Reputation:   434
  • Days Won:  13
  • Joined:  07/25/2008

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is Taggarts team. He has been here 21/2 years and the product on the field is poo. Other teams start true freshmen and sophmores and if this class was so good, like everyone brags it is then Tags is the problem not Holtz. He is gone Move on!

Don't mean to poop on your pity party, but Taggart has literally been here a year and 9 months.

But don't let the facts get in your way.

Likewise when making an argument CWT is doing a better job than CSH did. The only thing you can say for CWT is that he might become a better coach. But then again, Mike White might become an All-America if we're playing that game.
Taggart is the 5th youngest head coach in college football coaching a roster full of freshman and sophomores. Holtz is in his rebound job where 85% of his starters came from the previous coach.

So you believe CWT is currently doing a better job than CSH?

 

recruiting. yes. haven't been impressed with either of them for on-field coaching.

 

I think Holtz was left with a much better situation than Taggart. The only difference in results so far is that holtz landed a quality QB transfer and Taggart didn't. huge mistake on Taggart's part. That's only good for one year though. eventually Holtz lack of recruiting will catch up to him just like it did here.

 

it's tough to compare their careers because Taggart is so young. our job might well have been the pinnacle of Holtz career. too early to say whether or not it's Taggarts but he is still considered on the uptrend of his career while Holtz is not.

 

 

His receivers don't have stone hands either. And his OL blocks. And his scheme works with the talent. You can't have the #2 passing offense in CFB with JUST a QB. You think if CWT took over LaTech would have a top 15 offense?

 

his o-line was the previous coach's recruits. just as ours is his doing. same with the receivers with the exception of sterling griffin.

 

Yes I do believe the #30 passing offense (according to espn) #37 if you go by yards per game has everything to do with the QB.

 

Can you explain why they were the #99 passing offense last year with almost the same exact personnel with the exception of the QB?

 

please don't tell me it was because he changed his scheme to suit his players.

 

oh and even with that QB and a running back that has led the team in rushing 3 years straight and playing crappy c-usa defenses he ranks as the 65th best offense by total yards this year. of course that's better than the 100 ranking last year. guess he just couldn't adapt his scheme to his talent last year.

 

you must have been looking at western kentucky(Tags old team and QB) they are the #2 passing offense in the country.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards

 

 

 

Sure. Its called DEVELOPING TALENT.  And no, I wasn't looking at WKU, I didn't look at it last this week.

Edited by slick1ru2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  22
  • Content Count:  8,722
  • Reputation:   992
  • Days Won:  23
  • Joined:  02/02/2005

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is Taggarts team. He has been here 21/2 years and the product on the field is poo. Other teams start true freshmen and sophmores and if this class was so good, like everyone brags it is then Tags is the problem not Holtz. He is gone Move on!

Don't mean to poop on your pity party, but Taggart has literally been here a year and 9 months.

But don't let the facts get in your way.

Likewise when making an argument CWT is doing a better job than CSH did. The only thing you can say for CWT is that he might become a better coach. But then again, Mike White might become an All-America if we're playing that game.
Taggart is the 5th youngest head coach in college football coaching a roster full of freshman and sophomores. Holtz is in his rebound job where 85% of his starters came from the previous coach.

So you believe CWT is currently doing a better job than CSH?

 

recruiting. yes. haven't been impressed with either of them for on-field coaching.

 

I think Holtz was left with a much better situation than Taggart. The only difference in results so far is that holtz landed a quality QB transfer and Taggart didn't. huge mistake on Taggart's part. That's only good for one year though. eventually Holtz lack of recruiting will catch up to him just like it did here.

 

it's tough to compare their careers because Taggart is so young. our job might well have been the pinnacle of Holtz career. too early to say whether or not it's Taggarts but he is still considered on the uptrend of his career while Holtz is not.

 

 

His receivers don't have stone hands either. And his OL blocks. And his scheme works with the talent. You can't have the #2 passing offense in CFB with JUST a QB. You think if CWT took over LaTech would have a top 15 offense?

 

his o-line was the previous coach's recruits. just as ours is his doing. same with the receivers with the exception of sterling griffin.

 

Yes I do believe the #30 passing offense (according to espn) #37 if you go by yards per game has everything to do with the QB.

 

Can you explain why they were the #99 passing offense last year with almost the same exact personnel with the exception of the QB?

 

please don't tell me it was because he changed his scheme to suit his players.

 

oh and even with that QB and a running back that has led the team in rushing 3 years straight and playing crappy c-usa defenses he ranks as the 65th best offense by total yards this year. of course that's better than the 100 ranking last year. guess he just couldn't adapt his scheme to his talent last year.

 

you must have been looking at western kentucky(Tags old team and QB) they are the #2 passing offense in the country.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards

 

 

 

Sure. Its called DEVELOPING TALENT.

 

it's called being LEFT talent by the previous coach. funny if he could have DEVELOPED talent he would still be our coach.

 

he's riding dyke's coattails just like he rode leavitt's here.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  4
  • Content Count:  839
  • Reputation:   125
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  09/17/2013

 

The problem with Taggart is that unlike Holtz in the majority of the games we have played we haven't even been competitive. This dispite the conference taking big steps back in quality the past 2 years. In 13 of the 21 games Taggart has coached, USF has lost by more than 10 points. That is a 61.9% rate where the games aren't even competitive. To put that in perspective, from 2005-2009 Leavitt lost 13 of 64 games by more than 10 points or 20.3%. Holtz lost 7 of 37 games by more than 10 or 18.9%. So under Taggart there are roughly 3 times as many non competitive games, the majority of games where we take the field. This is why fan support is tanking.

Losing close may feel better to some.. .But a loss is a loss. And a win is a win. No matter how close or not the win or loss is. To me, it does not matter how close we were in games. But I understand your general point in relation to the general fan base.

 

I agree that at the end of the day a loss is a loss, but watching the games is less of a chore when the team has at least a chance to win the game.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  553
  • Content Count:  14,405
  • Reputation:   434
  • Days Won:  13
  • Joined:  07/25/2008

LaTech's #1 WR is a true sophomore. http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/545677/trent-taylor

Edited by slick1ru2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  22
  • Content Count:  8,722
  • Reputation:   992
  • Days Won:  23
  • Joined:  02/02/2005

who committed in July of 2012 when Sonny Dykes was the coach. and was recruited by Stan Eggen who was with Dykes and stayed at La Tech.

 

https://rivals.yahoo.com/louisianatech/football/recruiting/player-Trent-Taylor-134060

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Group:  Member
  • Topic Count:  553
  • Content Count:  14,405
  • Reputation:   434
  • Days Won:  13
  • Joined:  07/25/2008

 

who committed in July of 2012 when Sonny Dykes was the coach. and was recruited by Stan Eggen who was with Dykes and stayed at La Tech.

 

https://rivals.yahoo.com/louisianatech/football/recruiting/player-Trent-Taylor-134060

 

 

I said Develop Talent. CWT has numerous players that are Sophomores from Hotlz including 'his' qb Mike White.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Tell a friend

    Love TheBullsPen.com? Tell a friend!
  • South Florida Fight Song

     

  • Quotes

    "There is no inherent fear among this group of players. The fear of failing drove the program from day one - the fear of failing the coaches, the fan base, the university, each teammate, themselves. Now, as we head into the biggest game in our history at home on a national stage against the highest ranked team to step on OUR field, the players are taking an introspective look at themselves. Unfortunately, I don't know if they get it. They lack the fear."

    Terry Lucas, 09/26/22  

  • Files

  • Recent Achievements

  • Popular Contributors

  • Quotes

    "He is a young and extremely gifted offensive mind, a developer of high-level talent and an elite national recruiter who brings the experience of having played an integral role from the beginning in helping to build one of the most successful programs in college football."

    - Michael Kelly on Jeff Scott  

×
×
  • Create New...

It appears you are using ad blocking tools.  This site is supported through ads.  Please disable in order to enjoy full access to The Bulls Pen.  Registration is free and reduces ads.