Butch Davis

[Bull94]

He is my least favorite candidate.

Consistent .500 team at UNC. Academic issues. BLEHEhh

3 straight 8 win seasons. 3 straight bowl games. yes he was .500 in conference but he was just starting to turn that program around.

as for the academic issues, it has been said multiple times that he was cleared of any wrong doing by the ncaa. he isn't guilty of anything. he was fired at UNC so the school could save face, not because he did anything wrong.

he recruited a bunch of kids that not only cheated in academics but also accepted illegal benefits from agents. he may have been cleared but he ran a dirty program. no thanks. I may not want altar boys that holtz brought in but i don't want guys who cheat either.

by that same notion holtz recruited guys that beat their girlfriends, and stole iphones.

how was davis to know what the kids he recruited would do behind his back? unless they were doing the same thing in highschool he would have had no idea they would do it in college.

find a person who can predict what 18-22 year olds will do in the future and USF might hire them.

that was a transfer and a walk on. he didn't recruit either of them.

I get you can't control everybody but i guarantee a program like Stanford will have less player arrests than say UF. it goes to the character of the recruits.

He might not have recruited them out of high school but he did recruit them when they decided to transfer or walk on. Holtz could have easily said no to both of them but didn't. Therefore he did allow their services on his team, so he should by your reasoning be held accountable for their actions and be labeled.

You can't control what others will do in the future and you can't control them from doing what they want. The UNC debacle was more an institutional problem not a coach problem. NCAA says he's clean and he didn't receive any punishment. UNC just tried to save face and make the mess go away from media scrutiny so they fired him. Their own chancellor even backed up Davis after the firing.

Btw, I guess if he was so "tainted" as you claim, USF wouldn't be talking to him but they are.

an institutional problem where nearly 40% of the cheaters were football players. almost $30k in illegal gifts. I love how people deflect blame. he ran a dirty program. whether or not he knew. just because usf is supposedly interviewing him doesn't make what happened disappear. I get it's no longer about the student anymore. it's only about the athlete but i don't want our program to become a renagade program like some of the football factories in the past.

Your directing the blame that falls 100% on the student athlete onto the coach. The coach didn't cheat on tests, nor did he take incentives or gifts. If Davis was handing out gifts and making classes for only his football team, then yes he would be running a dirty program but he didn't do that.

The NCAA cleared him of any wrong doing. Anything you as a fan say won't change the fact that they disproved that he ran a dirty program and was involved.

sorry but no coach does those things. it's the boosters, agents, etc. the coaches just turn a blind eye and benefit from them. as long as there is no proof then they don't get caught. sorry that's not what i want usf to turn into.

[TallyBull]

Is there a link to something substantiating the claim that Butch Davis was cleared?

[Bullshiznitz]

Is there a link to something substantiating the claim that Butch Davis was cleared?

http://www.wralsport...story/11574281/

Quote from story:

"An NCAA investigation into the football program found nine major violations related to academic misconduct, agent interactions and improper benefits. Davis’ name was not mentioned in the final report and he was never found to have any knowledge of the improprieties."

Edited December 6, 2012 by Bullshiznitz

[Bull94]

Is there a link to something substantiating the claim that Butch Davis was cleared?

http://www.wralsport...story/11574281/

Quote from story:

"An NCAA investigation into the football program found nine major violations related to academic misconduct, agent interactions and improper benefits. Davis’ name was not mentioned in the final report and he was never found to have any knowledge of the improprieties."

again just because they couldn't prove it doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. funny it never happened at unc before davis arrived.

[Bullshiznitz]

Is there a link to something substantiating the claim that Butch Davis was cleared?

http://www.wralsport...story/11574281/

Quote from story:

"An NCAA investigation into the football program found nine major violations related to academic misconduct, agent interactions and improper benefits. Davis’ name was not mentioned in the final report and he was never found to have any knowledge of the improprieties."

again just because they couldn't prove it doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. funny it never happened at unc before davis arrived.

And funny that Miami was as dirty as a program as you could have seen, yet Davis not only had to deal with the mess of sanctions before him, he ended up also cleaning up that program (or is given credit for doing that). He didn't need to "cheat" to basically bring Miami back to a National Championship caliber team/program.

[ksquire]

I'm all for Davis. Sure he may come with some baggage, but he is a proven coach. Also, no one wants to be accused of the same thing twice. I'm sure he has learned his lesson and will run a tighter ship.

[FatDaddyBull]

If you have highly touted prospects at your school, you'll have agents sniffing around. Not the coaches fault if players don't have the character to decline their advances.

He would likely leave in a few years regardless if he has success. He'd bring in a great staff and recruit as well as anyone.

It's exactly what was said a few posts back, choice between established and potential

[Apis Bull]

I'm warming up to the idea of Davis. Especially, since my first choice got hired by Cal.

[feardabull]

I only want this guy if Taggart and MacIntyre don't get the job.

[jjlovecub]

Davis was what a best 8 wins at UNC? Sure it's better than 3 but a guy like Butch would be here Short Term. If he has any success at all he will jump at the first job offered. I see Taggart more like Strong as someone with loyalty. Butch would be my 3rd choice behind Willie and Morris. I'd rather build long term success than go for a big name for a little bit - just my humble opinion.