BiggTipp Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 108 Content Count: 2,484 Reputation: 288 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/26/2005 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Legitimate list of Positives and Negatives for Holtz Positives: Beat Miami (2010) Beat Notre Dame (2011) Much higher team GPA got the team (temporarily) ranked (2011) Beat a BCS Conference team in a Bowl Game (2010) (now my brain is stumped) Negatives: No Bowl games (2011) (2012) 15-21 overall record (assuming loss vs PITT) 9-11 @ Home (assuming loss vs PITT) 6-10 on the road 5-16 in the Big East Conference (assuming loss vs PITT) Team has not progressed but regressed Fans are not going to games The team appears to continually make the same mistakes again and again I had to look again at the BE record...5-16 and just said based on this info I just can't see keeping Holtz another year....what sucked the most this year is...I was not pissed Friday night...not suprised...not sad...just at a loss for words...except for If anybody else has an item for EITHER list that is not there please list and discuss and sorry that i might be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South_Florida_Flip Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 99 Content Count: 10,565 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 7 Joined: 05/14/2005 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The positives you list do not come close to balancing the scale of the negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostofbigworm Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 8 Content Count: 554 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2010 Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) Positive: Dad won a MNC Negative: Worst single season record in team history Edited November 25, 2012 by Ghostofbigworm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANJAY Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 300 Content Count: 7,993 Reputation: 968 Days Won: 21 Joined: 10/31/2005 Share Posted November 25, 2012 On the negative side, the trend is the problem. 5-16 in conference but 2-12 the last 2 seasons. 16-21 overall but 8-16 the last 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullshiznitz Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 128 Content Count: 1,768 Reputation: 167 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/26/2001 Share Posted November 25, 2012 On the negative side, the trend is the problem. 5-16 in conference but 2-12 the last 2 seasons. 16-21 overall but 8-16 the last 2 seasons. Even worse is 4-15 the last 19 games (likely to be 4-16 after the Pitt game). No words for such a horrible run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbulls Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 10 Content Count: 275 Reputation: 77 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/14/2010 Share Posted November 25, 2012 His positives were toward the beginning. The last 1 2/3 years have been abysmal. It amazes me that just last year, we beat Notre Dame. Now it seems so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usfbullrider Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 64 Content Count: 3,222 Reputation: 387 Days Won: 8 Joined: 07/30/2011 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Notre dame beat itself. Phrases like "I wish I had an excuse" after Miami game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usfgrad84 Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 246 Content Count: 6,348 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 8 Joined: 05/25/2006 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Negatives: Between year 2 and year 3 under his leadership: Went more than 13 months without a home win against FBS opponents Longest losing streak in team history Worst record in team history Most losses in 1 year in team history 3 of 4 worst defensive performances in team history Longest streak of quarters without a TD in team history Only 2 INTs this year Consistently losing games after holding 4th quarter lead. Continued poor game management Continued poor clock management Continued horrible special teams performance. Nothing points to signs of a turnaround. Positives: He is a nice guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emrober5 Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 17 Content Count: 1,011 Reputation: 240 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/06/2011 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Negatives: Between year 2 and year 3 under his leadership: Went more than 13 months without a home win against FBS opponents Longest losing streak in team history Worst record in team history Most losses in 1 year in team history 3 of 4 worst defensive performances in team history Longest streak of quarters without a TD in team history Only 2 INTs this year Consistently losing games after holding 4th quarter lead. Continued poor game management Continued poor clock management Continued horrible special teams performance. Nothing points to signs of a turnaround. Positives: He is a nice guy. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhambuc Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Member Topic Count: 165 Content Count: 2,233 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 6 Joined: 08/18/2011 Share Posted November 25, 2012 ND is 3 qts away from playing in the BCS NC game, We are starring at a 3 win season. Skip needs to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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