Revisiting the Charlie Strong Hire

[Brad]

When will we re-visit the Holtz New Error?

[Outlaw]

1 minute ago, Brad said:

When will we re-visit the Holtz New Error?

[bowman1]

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

We will never know but willy has failed miserably since be left usf.  Now imagine if we never got rid of Leavitt and Leroy didn't pass away where we could be?

That is a tough one to play out, since it eliminates 12 years of history, 4 head coaches, multiple recruiting philosophies and various game strategies 

We definitely still wind-up in the AAC, though the seasons play-out drastically different with Leavitt at the helm

2010 is probably the same end result and we do not see as bad a slide in 2011.  We have winning records in 2012 - 2015, maybe even winning a conference championship, since Leavitt was always good against weaker foes.

The three headed monster in Flowers/Mack/Adams never happens, because Leavitt was primarily a defensive coach and may not have landed all of them.  My guess is that we do not beat UCF in 2017, so their timeline continues unchecked. 

Best case scenario is that the Big12 takes both USF & UCF based on continual USF success over the years - there is also a good chance in this scenario that we are still in the AAC, since I do not think a Leavitt coached team would have beat UCF in 2017

[Triple B]

27 minutes ago, bowman1 said:

That is a tough one to play out, since it eliminates 12 years of history, 4 head coaches, multiple recruiting philosophies and various game strategies 

We definitely still wind-up in the AAC, though the seasons play-out drastically different with Leavitt at the helm

2010 is probably the same end result and we do not see as bad a slide in 2011.  We have winning records in 2012 - 2015, maybe even winning a conference championship, since Leavitt was always good against weaker foes.

The three headed monster in Flowers/Mack/Adams never happens, because Leavitt was primarily a defensive coach and may not have landed all of them.  My guess is that we do not beat UCF in 2017, so their timeline continues unchecked. 

Best case scenario is that the Big12 takes both USF & UCF based on continual USF success over the years - there is also a good chance in this scenario that we are still in the AAC, since I do not think a Leavitt coached team would have beat UCF in 2017

[bowman1]

47 minutes ago, Triple B said:

I can understand your admiration - in fact, it is almost a crime that I am still working my day job as opposed to sitting alongside Lee Corso and @Outlaw on College Gameday

[Outlaw]

1 hour ago, bowman1 said:

I can understand your admiration - in fact, it is almost a crime that I am still working my day job as opposed to sitting alongside Lee Corso and @Outlaw on College Gameday

Maybe one day in the future USF will be able to host a college game day once the OCS stadium is completed and USF is finished. I have no desire to be a host on college gameday because all you do is talk about how great the B1g, SEC, and ND is.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Outlaw

[Grateful Dad]

3 hours ago, Triple B said:

I've been watching this for 16 minutes so far

[bowman1]

18 minutes ago, Grateful Dad said:

I've been watching this for 16 minutes so far

Almost as good as Darkstar

[Grateful Dad]

3 minutes ago, bowman1 said:

Almost as good as Darkstar

Very nice!

Some great stuff, there.  I'd take about thirty minutes of that.

You know, they're coming out with a fifteen disc box set.  They just can't decide which song to use.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Grateful Dad

[hightechbull]

8 hours ago, Outlaw said:

We will never know but willy has failed miserably since be left usf.  Now imagine if we never got rid of Leavitt and Leroy didn't pass away where we could be?

If USF did not fire him that year, then at some point he would have left USF for more money, or his record would not have improved, and USF would have fired him.   That is the overall trend in NCAA football.   Even the legendary football greats were shoved out of their long-term coaching jobs because of the never-ending desire for wins and championships.