what is the point in keeping Jeff Scott around?

[puc86]

14 minutes ago, slick1ru2 said:

That’s fine. But my point was that USF didn’t hire only worse coaches than Leavitt. It wasn’t that only Taggart had a 10 win season.

Feel free to point out the Leavitt 10+ win seasons and post season rankings as head coach , which would refute my point, instead of Strong having a 10 win season.

I think the point is that if that’s your single data point it’s not a very good one unless you hold CCS in the same esteem, you know since they did the exact same only reason you feel this way 

[slick1ru2]

9 minutes ago, puc86 said:

This argument would be a little less silly (but not much) if it wasn’t his only double digit victory season out of 13, he wasn’t well below .500 lifetime, he wasn’t getting fired from back to back in state schools at this very moment, he didn’t also own the first 2-10 season here, he won a single bowl game in those 13 seasons, his biggest win here wasn’t against Temple (funny same as CJS), and QF had any years left of eligibility. CWT had a couple of good recruiting classes but that doesn’t a good coach make and there is absolutely no reason to believe he had another ace up his sleeve after QF left (if he did FSU would have been a nice time to use it), he left at the perfect moment in the rarest of insances in his career when he had any value whatsoever.

Now do Holtz.

Edited October 16, 2022 by slick1ru2

[Brad]

Booze

[puc86]

Just now, slick1ru2 said:

Now do Holtz.

Why would anyone do that? The argument is CJL was the only coach we ever had the evidence is this (the only other suitable answer is TJ Weist)- now if you would like to argue between CSH, CWT and CCS knock yourself out but CSH did have the best wins and coached in the best conference out of that group (ccs even had better wins than CWT, who once again had his best win in four years again the mighty owls, on his way to that impressive sub .500 win percentage)

Coach	Tenure	Seasons	Games	Record	Win percentage	Bowl record
Jim Leavitt	1997–2009	13	152	95–57	.625	3–2
Skip Holtz	2010–2012	3	37	16–21	.432	1–0
Willie Taggart	2013–2016	4	49	24–25	.490	0–1
T. J. Weist†	2016	1	1	1–0	1.000	1–0
Charlie Strong	2017–2019	3	37	21–16	.568	1–1
Jeff Scott	2020–present	3	27	4–23	.148

[slick1ru2]

6 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Why would anyone do that? The argument is CJL was the only coach we ever had the evidence is this (the only other suitable answer is TJ Weist)- now if you would like to argue between CSH, CWT and CCS knock yourself out but CSH did have the best wins and coached in the best conference out of that group (ccs even had better wins than CWT, who once again had his best win in four years again the mighty owls, on his way to that impressive sub .500 win percentage)

Coach	Tenure	Seasons	Games	Record	Win percentage	Bowl record
Jim Leavitt	1997–2009	13	152	95–57	.625	3–2
Skip Holtz	2010–2012	3	37	16–21	.432	1–0
Willie Taggart	2013–2016	4	49	24–25	.490	0–1
T. J. Weist†	2016	1	1	1–0	1.000	1–0
Charlie Strong	2017–2019	3	37	21–16	.568	1–1
Jeff Scott	2020–present	3	27	4–23	.148

The argument was only coaches worse than Levitt were hired.

Edited October 16, 2022 by slick1ru2

[Outlaw]

30 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Why would anyone do that? The argument is CJL was the only coach we ever had the evidence is this (the only other suitable answer is TJ Weist)- now if you would like to argue between CSH, CWT and CCS knock yourself out but CSH did have the best wins and coached in the best conference out of that group (ccs even had better wins than CWT, who once again had his best win in four years again the mighty owls, on his way to that impressive sub .500 win percentage)

Coach	Tenure	Seasons	Games	Record	Win percentage	Bowl record
Jim Leavitt	1997–2009	13	152	95–57	.625	3–2
Skip Holtz	2010–2012	3	37	16–21	.432	1–0
Willie Taggart	2013–2016	4	49	24–25	.490	0–1
T. J. Weist†	2016	1	1	1–0	1.000	1–0
Charlie Strong	2017–2019	3	37	21–16	.568	1–1
Jeff Scott	2020–present	3	27	4–23	.148

The argument is clear we need to hire TJ Weist first then Leavitt second 

[TromBull12]

4 hours ago, puc86 said:

Why would anyone do that? The argument is CJL was the only coach we ever had the evidence is this (the only other suitable answer is TJ Weist)- now if you would like to argue between CSH, CWT and CCS knock yourself out but CSH did have the best wins and coached in the best conference out of that group (ccs even had better wins than CWT, who once again had his best win in four years again the mighty owls, on his way to that impressive sub .500 win percentage)

Coach	Tenure	Seasons	Games	Record	Win percentage	Bowl record
Jim Leavitt	1997–2009	13	152	95–57	.625	3–2
Skip Holtz	2010–2012	3	37	16–21	.432	1–0
Willie Taggart	2013–2016	4	49	24–25	.490	0–1
T. J. Weist†	2016	1	1	1–0	1.000	1–0
Charlie Strong	2017–2019	3	37	21–16	.568	1–1
Jeff Scott	2020–present	3	27	4–23	.148

This is my issue with the "wins only" metric. It doesn't tell the full story. CWT was a really good coach for us. He had the energy, the drive, the swagger, and the connections to recruit. 

He took over a program that was a literal dumpster fire. He actually recruited and coached up players that are in the NFL now.  He's responsible for recruiting arguably the best QB in our program's history. 

CCS' first 2 seasons were the result of CWT's coaching and recruits in my eyes. 

I too hate the way Taggart left, but give that man his flowers. FSU was way too quick to let him go in my humble opinion. They are not the program they used to be and constantly firing coaches isn't going to fix that. 

[WoolyBully]

Do we have reason to believe that CJS will turn this around? If so, based on what? I suppose if we're not going to use the number of wins as a determining metric, we are going to have to sift through the stats for flecks of gold. Is there a timeline before deciding that it will not turn around under the current coaching staff? It took Taggart three years to take USF from 3-9 (2012, Big East, Holtz) to 8-5 (2015, American).  I assume that CJS might be less of a mover than Taggart, and as such, should be afforded the opportunity to stay until, at least, 2026 per his contract, is that right? 

What is Coach Jeff Scott's Buyout at South Florida

 

[Cornada]

Part of me just wants to turn my back and walk away and part of me wants to keep watching the fire that is USF, as its program turns to ashes.

[Triple B]

9 hours ago, slick1ru2 said:

That’s fine. But my point was that USF didn’t hire only worse coaches than Leavitt. It wasn’t that only Taggart had a 10 win season.

Feel free to point out the Leavitt 10+ win seasons and post season rankings as head coach , which would refute my point, instead of Strong having a 10 win season.

I totally agree with that and agree about Willie. My point was if you're going to go that route, make sure you've got the facts straight and don't double down when someone pointed out you were wrong. It gets pounced upon and your initial assertion is lost in the nitpicking.