Jon Tonison Posted December 29, 2020 Group: UCF Knights Topic Count: 2 Content Count: 28 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2019 Share Posted December 29, 2020 For all intents and purposes he didn't win 1 freakin game! Pathetic under any circumstances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,896 Content Count: 66,077 Reputation: 2,431 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted December 29, 2020 totally unfair coach scott was left with crap to work with cjs is building as foundation and for that i give him an A 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBulls Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 13 Content Count: 1,273 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2011 Share Posted December 29, 2020 To put things in perspective and why the article is rediculous...If this article was written during Skip Holtz's first year he would have gotten a pretty good grade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,896 Content Count: 66,077 Reputation: 2,431 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted December 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, Jon Tonison said: For all intents and purposes he didn't win 1 freakin game! Pathetic under any circumstances nick saban wouldnt have won more at usf this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorbull325 Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 119 Content Count: 6,523 Reputation: 2,699 Days Won: 28 Joined: 09/02/2014 Share Posted December 29, 2020 16 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said: We get it...he was not good last year, he made mistakes, understood. But I will stay with 4/5 wins next year (which still won’t be good enough for you) and double that in 2022. We should have got 4-5 wins this season. We have a few close games. I'm going to write off that CJS just threw this season away to kick players off the team and evaluate the current players. But he never had a goal of making a bowl game or giving us a competitive season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Nut Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 1,327 Reputation: 597 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/19/2018 Share Posted December 29, 2020 2 hours ago, DJBulls said: To put things in perspective and why the article is rediculous...If this article was written during Skip Holtz's first year he would have gotten a pretty good grade... CJS did not perform to my expectations this season. That being said, I get your logic. CCS would have received a good grade in his first year according to this article (even though we all saw the writing on the wall). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBulls Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 13 Content Count: 1,273 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2011 Share Posted December 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bull Nut said: CJS did not perform to my expectations this season. That being said, I get your logic. CCS would have received a good grade in his first year according to this article (even though we all saw the writing on the wall). That's fair...but he had all of the cards stacked against him...now if the team only wins a game or two this year then we have a bit of an issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulls On Parade Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 10,199 Reputation: 1,714 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/02/2005 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I thought we have atleast a few more wins this season...appears team was worse talent wise than I thought. Now next season I want to see a rebound and real improvement. If we dont....this will be Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,250 Reputation: 6,138 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted December 29, 2020 14 hours ago, usf97 said: Brent Brennan’s teams looked like hot garbage his 1st two seasons at SJSU. Just sayin. There are plenty of examples of people succeeding following early failures and there are plenty of examples of people that have early success and then fail but the norm of results is that most people that start off winning five games in their first two seasons get fired following their third. It is not impossible to recover from a disastrous start but it is improbable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted December 29, 2020 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,250 Reputation: 6,138 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Results matter. You can’t simply look at a bad situation and then see bad results and because of the bad starting point and measurable determine there is nothing that could have been done better in the middle to impact results. Let’s take Trump and Covid for example, it is pretty much universally accepted that one of the largest reasons Trump is not President is because of the perceived dropping of the ball on Covid. Covid was an uncontrollable variable thrown at Trump and it had bad results from the Trump administration, most people clearly think that someone else could have done better and got less bad results or that Trump could have done things differently to better impact what was thrown at him. Doing poorly with bad situations gets you a D- and doing better with bad situations gets you a better grade, there is nothing uniquely difficult that CJS faced compared to other first year coaches he just simply almost completely failed his first opportunity while they did not (and all the excuses as to why he had to fail year negative whatever number the apologists are up to now were factored into the scoring or else he would have gotten an F-, why? Because he didn’t win a single game against like situated opponents that’s why). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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