Confused About our Recruiting Philosophy

[NewEnglandBull]

21 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Maybe he made Quinton Flowers what he was .... the same could be said for just about any coach ever .... let's see if Nick Saban can recruit another _____________________ before anointing him ............. Let's see if Dabo can recruit another _____________________ .... so on and so forth

 

16 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

yeah he completely built an offense around Quinton. surrounded him with NFL wide receivers and RBs.

No one else even recruited him as a QB. so an argument can be made that Taggart made Flowers

An argument can also be made that he stifled QF. A few players, over dinner at WT’s house, had to insist that QF be let loose. Only then did WT start to design specific play sets for him. Regardless, based on WT’s past successes and failures, he will have to show significant success at FAU before he gets another look at USF. 

Edited September 28, 2020 by NewEnglandBull

[CousinRicky]

7 hours ago, jg233 said:

They should have hired Taggart back IMO...he would get players and most likely stay a long time if he were successful.  If Scott does a good job maybe they will look at Willie again when he leaves.

And while we're talking former coaches, guess which one stands in 9th place, of current coaches, for total number of FBS wins.

[Joe]

14 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

yeah he completely built an offense around Quinton. surrounded him with NFL wide receivers and RBs.

No one else even recruited him as a QB. so an argument can be made that Taggart made Flowers

He didn’t build that offense. He was forced to run that offense after 2 years of running a more traditional west-coast type offense. (Or be fired)

Harlan brought in **** Tomey and a high school coach to help Taggart change things up and to use his personnel to run an offense they were better suited for.

 

 

[Bulls On Parade]

6 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

And while we're talking former coaches, guess which one stands in 9th place, of current coaches, for total number of FBS wins.

Holtz id guess. 

I thought for sure that his hiring was a good one and he has done well at ECU and LaTech.

[chapelbull]

4 minutes ago, Joe said:

He didn’t build that offense. He was forced to run that offense after 2 years of running a more traditional west-coast type offense. (Or be fired)

Harlan brought in **** Tomey and a high school coach to help Taggart change things up and to use his personnel to run an offense they were better suited for.

 

 

Fake News

[NewEnglandBull]

4 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Fake News

Not sure if serious or not but the first two years we were certainly running the Stanford smash mouth offense. Then suddenly year three we were going more open on offense. One thing I did appreciate about Willie was his ability to change. Now was this Willie doing this on his own or being forced? I would side that it was more on his own because of the speed recruits he got. But at the same time why did he take two years before doing this?  

Edited September 28, 2020 by NewEnglandBull

[Bull94]

43 minutes ago, Joe said:

He didn’t build that offense. He was forced to run that offense after 2 years of running a more traditional west-coast type offense. (Or be fired)

Harlan brought in **** Tomey and a high school coach to help Taggart change things up and to use his personnel to run an offense they were better suited for.

 

 

Please read up before posting hearsay from a message board as fact.

do you have proof that he was "forced" to run that offense?

fact is he built the offense with help from his former high school coach Joe Kinnan. The same guy who helped Tom Osbourne build an offense for Tommy frazier (who played for Kinnan at Manatee)at Nebraska and also helped Gus Malzahn build his offense.

In fact Taggart wanted to hire kinnan earlier but Kinnan wanted to stay at Manatee.

Fun fact Taggart once started for an injured Tommy frazier at Manatee.

Quote from Bradenton article posted below: Guys like Auburn head coach Gus Malzahn and Nebraska's legendary hall of fame coach Tom Osborne are among those who have lauded Kinnan for his offensive mind.

Read more here: https://www.bradenton.com/sports/college/university-of-south-florida/article34769202.html#storylink=cpy

D ick Tomey was brought in because he was Harlans mentor. He was 76 at the time. It was a favor from his mentee. you don't bring in a 76 year old associate athletic director for sports administration to build an offense.

Former Arizona football coach **** Tomey, a longtime mentor of current USF athletic director Mark Harlan, is joining the Bulls program as an associate athletic director for sports administration.

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https://www.bradenton.com/sports/college/university-of-south-florida/article34769202.html

Edited September 28, 2020 by Bull94

[Bull94]

29 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Not sure if serious or not but the first two years we were certainly running the Stanford smash mouth offense. Then suddenly year three we were going more open on offense. One thing I did appreciate about Willie was his ability to change. Now was this Willie doing this on his own or being forced? I would side that it was more on his own because of the speed recruits he got. But at the same time why did he take two years before doing this?  

because he had mike white as his QB. not exactly an offense you would run with him.

fact is he had Kinnan(his high school coach) come in and help him build the offense around Flowers. He wanted to hire Kinnan earlier but he didn't want to leave Manatee. Kinnan helped Tom Osbourne when he brought in Tommy Frazier(manatee QB).

Edited September 28, 2020 by Bull94

[NewEnglandBull]

3 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

because he had mike white as his QB. not exactly an offense you would run with him.

Quiet true 

[Guest Jonesy Bull]

10 hours ago, Triple B said:

It is just some USF fans and it's impossible to explain it in a non-jilted lover way ....

But he left us for a promotion.  Power 5 jobs.  Any of us would have done the same thing.  Of course it didnt work out.  Since we have been bad since he left, I guess misery loves company.