KB will not be the coach either...

[Bull94]

2 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

So without reading back, are you saying his offense could work in time or are you on the anti KB side?  Any coach we bring in is going to need 2 to 3 years.

I think it works if you are at the top end of your level (ie Alabama, Wisconsin, etc). you get the quality of players that a complex pro-style offense needs to succeed against their competition.

Valdosta is at the top end of D2. The quality of recruits they get compared to their opponents allows them to run that type of offense successfully.

There is a reason that lesser teams started running the spread and it was because the top programs got the best athletes(linemen in particular) and they weren't able to compete. so they got smaller more athletic linemen and taught them to zone block. not nearly as complicated and you don't need to overpower your opponent. It's what allowed the Texas Techs, Baylors, etc to compete with the big boys.

[NewEnglandBull]

2 hours ago, Bull94 said:

yes

2 of those o-linemen started for Taggart's team that went 11-2

all 5 started last year for Gilbert

Gilbert's offense ranked #64 in scoring (28 ppg)

Bell's ranked a laughable #122 (17.7 ppg)

if you think it was all on the QB then think again. Barnett last year was #102 in QBR (43.6) while McCloud was #100(41.6) this year.

perhaps Bell should have adapted his system to the players.

maybe the fact that it is such a complex pro-style offense had something to do with the offense's failure.

To be sure KBs offense was significantly more complex than dive right and dive left though...

[Gismo]

46 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

To be sure KBs offense was significantly more complex than dive right and dive left though...

Gilbert made the most of what he had. Maybe Gilbert deserves more credit than he got when he was here. We saw another guy try something fancy and fail miserably. 

[NewEnglandBull]

1 minute ago, Gismo said:

Gilbert made the most of what he had. Maybe Gilbert deserves more credit than he got when he was here. We saw another guy try something fancy and fail miserably. 

Agreed. It was boring at times and turned out to be ineffective in the second half of his last season, but sometimes simpler works. 

[Bullgrad84]

8 hours ago, TheGreatOutlaw said:

KB only beat them fully abandoning the pass and basically going all run and utilizing a wild cat hybrid offense. I am not sure knowing that JM could not pass well with the all the deficiencies on offense why KB did not go full rush all the time. He could have utilized the play action to catch the defense off guard when they would stack the box.

Every team stacked the box on us and dared the wrs to get open and the qb to hit them. Watch the games. 

[Bullgrad84]

7 hours ago, CousinRicky said:

So without reading back, are you saying his offense could work in time or are you on the anti KB side?  Any coach we bring in is going to need 2 to 3 years.

Yes with Kb recruiting his guys in 2 to 3 years we will be competing for the conference championship. 

[Bullgrad84]

7 hours ago, Bull94 said:

I think it works if you are at the top end of your level (ie Alabama, Wisconsin, etc). you get the quality of players that a complex pro-style offense needs to succeed against their competition.

Valdosta is at the top end of D2. The quality of recruits they get compared to their opponents allows them to run that type of offense successfully.

There is a reason that lesser teams started running the spread and it was because the top programs got the best athletes(linemen in particular) and they weren't able to compete. so they got smaller more athletic linemen and taught them to zone block. not nearly as complicated and you don't need to overpower your opponent. It's what allowed the Texas Techs, Baylors, etc to compete with the big boys.

Kb Offense is a zone blocking scheme. At Valdosta they ran outside ZONE more than any one in the country. But here he didn’t have athletic enough oline to do it. We have a bunch of big slow lineman. Why he couldn’t run his outside zone running scheme. Go watch Valdosta state and watch us. Outside zone was the staple of the offense when he gets the right olineman. 

[Bullgrad84]

4 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Agreed. It was boring at times and turned out to be ineffective in the second half of his last season, but sometimes simpler works. 

Can’t win a championship like that unless you by far have the best players in that offense.

[Bull94]

5 hours ago, Bullgrad84 said:

Kb Offense is a zone blocking scheme. At Valdosta they ran outside ZONE more than any one in the country. But here he didn’t have athletic enough oline to do it. We have a bunch of big slow lineman. Why he couldn’t run his outside zone running scheme. Go watch Valdosta state and watch us. Outside zone was the staple of the offense when he gets the right olineman. 

you are wrong. he runs a pro-style offense with a man style blocking scheme.

we had zone blocking linemen. it's what Taggart ran. He tried to turn them into pro-style o-linemen.

we will never have the top players at this level to run his offense successfully. they all go to alabma and wisconsin, etc.

[Outlaw]

6 hours ago, Bullgrad84 said:

Every team stacked the box on us and dared the wrs to get open and the qb to hit them. Watch the games. 

I watched and/or attended every single one.