JTrue Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 152 Content Count: 19,395 Reputation: 6,097 Days Won: 233 Joined: 01/13/2011 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Not sure this goes on the main board, but everyone loves ******** about attendance for USF and the Rays. Watch the clip of Trout's HR today and tell me attendance isn't a problem everywhere right now. Yes, this is a mid-week day game, but there can't be 5,000 people in attendance in a metro area of 7+ million people, the 4th largest in the country. And for comparison, one that is more than double the Tampa Bay metro area. https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-trout-sets-career-high-in-home-runs Edited August 21, 2019 by JTrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Havoc Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 23 Content Count: 6,181 Reputation: 1,442 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/12/2011 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Attendance is down pretty much everywhere. The high price of most games as well as being able to watch all of the games at home plays a huge factor in this. Parking, food, drinks, etc are too expensive The box score for that game said 17k, which seems to be high compared to what the crowd looked like. We know how most teams lie about attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTrue Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 152 Content Count: 19,395 Reputation: 6,097 Days Won: 233 Joined: 01/13/2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rex Havoc said: Attendance is down pretty much everywhere. The high price of most games as well as being able to watch all of the games at home plays a huge factor in this. Parking, food, drinks, etc are too expensive The box score for that game said 17k, which seems to be high compared to what the crowd looked like. We know how most teams lie about attendance. I taught an economics class years ago and would use movie theaters as my example. Let's say you have one screen for the example and you charge $5 a ticket. As you incrementally raise the price, you're looking for the sweet spot that doesn't actually mean the most people. $5 x 300 people = $1500 $7 x 250 people = $1750 $10 x 200 people = $2000 $15 x 100 people = $1500 $20 x 50 people = $1000 200 people is less seats filled, but more money. It's not always about asses in seats when you're running a business. If your goal is filling the stands for a game, yes, $10 tickets for the whole stadium gets you a sell-out, but it likely won't make your bottom line look better. Yes, I know concession is a factor, just an example. Like the Rays probably found out this year, closing the upper deck didn't help attendance, but when you're selling those $5 tickets in the upper deck and you force everyone down to the lower level at a higher price point, you only need a few of the $5 people to buy a $30 ticket to make the money work in your favor, but you drive off a lot of actual people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,732 Reputation: 10,959 Days Won: 425 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted August 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, JTrue said: Not sure this goes on the main board, but everyone loves ******** about attendance for USF and the Rays. Watch the clip of Trout's HR today and tell me attendance isn't a problem everywhere right now. Yes, this is a mid-week day game, but there can't be 5,000 people in attendance in a metro area of 7+ million people, the 4th largest in the country. And for comparison, one that is more than double the Tampa Bay metro area. https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-trout-sets-career-high-in-home-runs Saw this while at an establishment for lunch today. I don't think I've ever seen a reg season Tuesday day game, Wrigley excluded. Was this a make-up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTrue Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 152 Content Count: 19,395 Reputation: 6,097 Days Won: 233 Joined: 01/13/2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Triple B said: Saw this while at an establishment for lunch today. I don't think I've ever seen a reg season Tuesday day game, Wrigley excluded. Was this a make-up? Assume so. They're playing a double header. Which is also a good example. If you just want people, don't play a day/night where you get to empty the stadium and sell another round of tickets. Sort of like how Disney does their Halloween and Disney nights. You have to buy a ticket for one or the other, you don't get to buy the day ticket and stay for the evening fun. It's regular price, but the park closes early and then they get you for the night celebration for another ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted August 21, 2019 All games should just be on tv with no fans involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,272 Reputation: 6,158 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said: All games should just be on tv with no fans involved. That is easy for someone over a thousand miles away to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullrush33 Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 85 Content Count: 3,807 Reputation: 793 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2008 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Yankees and Red Sox do not have this issue. Baseball is a tradition for those teams. We have little tradition for the rays or Bulls and many people that live here are not from here and have allegiance to other teams. I mean the watch parties here for other colleges are ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinRicky Posted August 21, 2019 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 583 Content Count: 22,721 Reputation: 5,862 Days Won: 109 Joined: 09/13/2007 Share Posted August 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said: Yankees and Red Sox do not have this issue. Baseball is a tradition for those teams. We have little tradition for the rays or Bulls and many people that live here are not from here and have allegiance to other teams. I mean the watch parties here for other colleges are ridiculous. I've seen the Yankees and Sox in lean years and they didn't fill that place all the time. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/9158007/boston-red-sox-820-game-sellout-streak-ends Let's get Joey Knight on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stuben Posted August 21, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 2,468 Reputation: 1,139 Days Won: 19 Joined: 04/08/2012 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I don't have a study to point to, but just years of experience going to games. The cost of attending live sporting events over the last 30 years has increased at a rate that far exceeds the rate of inflation during that same time period. This is significant. The financial commitment needed to attend games in person has changed. I also want to point out that professional sports stadiums are getting smaller (less seats). Lets look at professional teams in Florida: NFL Dolphins moved from the Orange Bowl to Joe Robbie Stadium, then that stadium had a massive renovation - each step along the way the size of the stadium got smaller. Bucs move from Tampa Stadium to Raymond James Stadium, that was a move to a smaller stadium. Jaguars renovated the Gator Bowl, and the renovation took out seats. MLB Rays have closed the upper deck (and had done previous smaller renovations that removed seats). Marlins moved from Joe Robbie Stadium to their new smaller stadium. NHL Lightning renovated Amalie Arena and took out a couple thousand seats. MLS Tampa and Miami franchises folded in big stadiums and have been replaced by Orlando and Miami franchises in smaller stadiums. (Miami TBD) Exceptions: The old Orlando Arena and Miami arena were small and got replaced by larger venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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