Joey Knight isn't all bad

[ToroDeFuego]

2 hours ago, Who'sYourData? said:

Because factual and accurate reporting must be reserved for UCF!  How dare a reporter reporting on USF do their job in an unbaised manner!  This is an outrage!

If the reporter conflates actual attendance with announced it's sloppy reporting if not an outrage. I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

[JTrue]

2 hours ago, Who'sYourData? said:

Because factual and accurate reporting must be reserved for UCF!  How dare a reporter reporting on USF do their job in an unbaised manner!  This is an outrage!

Reporting a fact doesn't automatically mean unbiased and omitting one doesn't mean biased either. It is a fact that GOL contributed to the death of a player. Why don't UCF reporters add that to every article they write about the football team? Are they being biased by leaving it out? Or would it be biased to add irrelevant facts to an article for no reason except to paint a negative picture?

[Triple B]

7 minutes ago, JTrue said:

Reporting a fact doesn't automatically mean unbiased and omitting one doesn't mean biased either. It is a fact that GOL contributed to the death of a player. Why don't UCF reporters add that to every article they write about the football team? Are they being biased by leaving it out? Or would it be biased to add irrelevant facts to an article for no reason except to paint a negative picture?

I'm sure at the same time they ask for the actual attendance they can get the concession and parking sales for the game. Why don't they get them  and publicize it? It's because they're not relevant ......................................... either.

[JTrue]

2 minutes ago, Triple B said:

I'm sure at the same time they ask for the actual attendance they can get the concession and parking sales for the game. Why don't they get them  and publicize it? It's because they're not relevant ......................................... either.

I know. You know. Pretty much every knows. The ones that don't are a) Joey Knight b) Joey Knight's family c) Data d) Bull Daly.

[Triple B]

6 minutes ago, JTrue said:

I know. You know. Pretty much every knows. The ones that don't are a) Joey Knight b) Joey Knight's family c) Data d) Bull Daly.

Why you gotta bring his family into it .... ?

[Who'sYourData?]

13 minutes ago, JTrue said:

I know. You know. Pretty much every knows. The ones that don't are a) Joey Knight b) Joey Knight's family c) Data d) Bull Daly.

I would agree with you, but then our entire family would also be wrong.

[BullsFanInTX]

2 hours ago, Triple B said:

Really? What's the average ratio of actual to announced attendance for FBS schools so we can get a feel for how healthy our program is?

No one really knows, because if you have an OCS, you don't have to report actual attendance and virtually no one does as a way to get around what their actual is.  However, here is one article from 2012 that listed how one SEC school inflated their numbers.  Almost all schools do this and get away with it due to OCS's. (and even those that play off campus like Miami and Pitt don't have actuals reported, and we all know they fluff numbers big time if you've ever watched any of their games. 

http://insiderlouisville.com/lifestyle_culture/sports/mark-coomes-university-of-kentucky-bending-over-backward-to-keep-football-attendance-figures-secret/

The world’s largest culinary class was held at Commonwealth Stadium this fall, but nary a morsel was served.

The only thing cooked – other than Joker Phillips’ goose – were the books.

Example: Announced attendance for the University of Kentucky’s Nov. 3 football game against Vanderbilt was 44,902.

Actual attendance: 18,885.

The Lexington Herald-Leader discovered similarly egregious discrepancies for every previous home game.

All told, UK overstated attendance at its first six games by 104,317 fans.

Pretty good guestimate, give or take a Kentucky Oaks crowd.

UK’s abacus squad will say that its figures reflect paid attendance. But they don’t. They reflect tickets sold, which is not the same as attendance, paid or unpaid.

Attendance n. The number of people present at a particular event.

The key word being “present.”

Perhaps UK, in equating ticket sales to attendance, is merely guilty of sloppy vocabulary use. If so, it has plenty of company.

The practice is common in College Sports Inc., which has a vested interest in making its games appear as popular as possible.

Much as Ken Lay had a vested interest in making Enron appear as profitable as possible, an aspiration that cooked more books than the Third Reich.

Inflating a football team’s attendance figures isn’t nearly the same as defrauding stockholders or barbecuing novels at the Opernplatz. But it’s not quite kosher, either.

By substituting paid attendance for actual attendance, UK subtly but intentionally misrepresented a vital fact. Institutions of higher learning should be above such petty deceit.

Attendance is the most fundamental measure of a team’s allure, the truest gauge of its popularity. In College Sports Inc., people don’t vote with their wallets, they vote with their feet.

Not that money isn’t important – boy howdy, is it ever – but it’s one thing to buy season tickets and quite another to use them. You know it, I know it and UK knows it.

How do we know that UK knows it? Because it’s bending over backward to keep the truth under wraps. The jockocracy doesn’t want the world to know how few humans actually bothered to watch the Wildcats in person this year.

The team lost 10 of 12 games. Phillips, the head coach, lost his job.

Some argued that the youthful, injury-plagued Wildcats showed enough flashes of promise to warrant retaining Phillips another year. From a football perspective, they might be right. From a financial perspective? Not a chance.

The Wildcats’ play regressed in each of Phillips’ three seasons, and season ticket sales sagged accordingly. Big Blue LLC wasn’t about to swallow another decline.

Or its pride. So fact was glossed into fiction.

Coming to a press release near you: “UK Football Attendance Figures, 2012.” (Based on a true story.)

Step right up and watch UK fans multiply like loaves and fishes. On paper anyway.

Books burn at Fahrenheit 451, but only 98.6 degrees were needed to turn up the heat on UK’s fuzzy math.

Jen Smith covers Kentucky football for the Herald-Leader. On Nov. 3 she brought to Commonwealth Stadium a pair of functioning eyeballs and an abundance of common sense. Combining those assets, she appraised the sparsely crowded bleachers and concluded that the school’s official headcount was off a tad.

A tad, in this case, being roughly equivalent to a capacity crowd at Rupp Arena.

Either that or 26,000 invisible fans watched Vandy horsewhip the Cats 40-0 that afternoon.

Smith used Kentucky Open Records Law to make UK divulge the actual number of tickets that were scanned at the gate that day (and others). Those digits told a different tale. Attendance for the Cats’ first five games was overstated by 11,000 to 21,000 fans.

Per game.

Smith asked for the same numbers after the Cats’ final home game against Samford. That data is no longer available, she was told.

Between Nov. 3 and Nov. 17, UK administrators stopped asking TicketMaster to report the number of tickets scanned. Why? Because if UK doesn’t have those figures, it can’t fulfill its legal obligation to vouchsafe them to Smith.

Crafty kitties!

[USF_Grouper]

13 hours ago, Triple B said:

Really? What's the average ratio of actual to announced attendance for FBS schools so we can get a feel for how healthy our program is?

Why does that even matter? We aren't measuring health against other programs. It is a growth metric of our program year over year and week over week. Anyone looking at numbers for something like expansion is more than educated enough to compare apples to apples. Almost certainly they have separately generated estimates of actual attendance for other programs as well.

Announced and Actual attendance is interesting and every beat reporter in America would report it for their school if available. 

[JTrue]

6 hours ago, USF_Grouper said:

Announced and Actual attendance is interesting and every beat reporter in America would report it for their school if available. 

Must be why all the Bulls fans on here demand to see the numbers every week. Not to mention, all the other schools' reporters who have access to the information rushing to tweet it out for their fanbases.

Edited September 13, 2016 by JTrue

[Paisa el Toro]

10 hours ago, USF_Grouper said:

Announced and Actual attendance is interesting and every beat reporter in America would report it for their school if available. 

 

Edited September 13, 2016 by Paisa el Toro