Its Time to Turn the Page on Willie Taggart

[Triple B]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Snarling Bull, you are one of the few who I have no issue with on this. You were not a Holtz apologist.  I remember the bags.

 

Wanting to change football coaches every two years IS an issue ... 

 

Not when they are crap coaches. Sitting through 4 hours or freezing cold conditions and watching the pathetic display of coaching and playing confirmed my beliefs in wanting Taggart gone. The fact that we had 0 points after 3 quarters against the worst team in CFB is insane. We have much better players on this team than to achieve that bs. I wish the stupid SMU fans didn't come down to the endzone where we scored the game winner so Taggart could hear my Fire Willie chants.

 

 

I'm sure there were Va Tech fans that thought Beamer was a crap coach and Buttgers fans thought the same thing about Schiano ... Good thing is that emotional fans don't make those type decisions. And I'm sure those stupid SMU fans appreciated you giving them some comic relief in their time of despair.

 

Except Schiano is a bad coach, and Beamer while he was good, the game has passed him by. 

The SMU fans gave me plenty of comedic relief too as i uncontrollably laughed at their students who thought they were on the cusp of victory only to have it snatched away.

Taggart is a crap coach and a terrible decision maker. Winning against SMU in the way we did was the same as losing to them. Taggart will never be able to escape the crapfest the team displayed and the horrible idiotic decision to start Flowers. I loved how he looked like a huge fool when he resorted to going back to White after benching him. It was so pathetic that it was hilarious. Nothing against Flowers, I think he has talent and could be good, but Taggart proved once and for all he has no idea how to run a football team.

 

 

His job was on the line and he knew it more than many of the green gogglers on this site know. He was willing to gamble everything on Flowers, who he knew didn't have a full grasp of the offense (heck, does Willie really have a grasp?) and would be a crapshoot at QB.  In that case he failed at redemption and the only thing White did was save the rest of the team and coaches from unbearable embarrassment. The team won a putrid game but Willie didn't win jack ****.

 

 

 ....So, according to you, CWT inherited a Corvette of a football program from Holtz. What type program will his successor inherit .... Edsel?

 

Taggart inherited a bad program, but not one so freaking pathetic they should struggle to barely beat the worst team in CFB. The least amount of points scored against SMU prior to our game was 38 points. We managed ZERO through 3 quarters and only 14 total. There is no progress with this team. We're 22 games into the Taggart era and players still don't know where to line up for christ sake. 

 

 

See, you were making fairly coherent arguments and then you go and say something stupid like that ...

[WoolyBully]

But the good thing is that none of this is really gonna detract from winning national championships at USF...you know...like he said in the 'bus' days.

[Who'sYourData?]

 

 

You are probably correct about needing to keep Taggart on board, but although the win total has improved, the overall team play has not improved and is probably regressing.

 

 

Actually, I don't think you realize the improvement... probably because, like many of us, we had higher expectations... and we don't really remember how bad our team was last year.

 

I would agree defensively we have not improved (we're not #21 in the nation).... but look at a few statistics.

 

 

Wins have doubled from 2 to 4

 

Points scored: 165 total in 12 games last year (13.75 ppg) / 186 in 10 games this year (18.6 ppg)

 

Points allowed: 343 total in 12 games last year (28.58 ppg) / 277 in 10 games this year (27.7 ppg)

 

The offensive stats are better as well (but ESPN is not updated with tonight's game, so I can't illustrated them).

 

 

Take out the 36 poings against Western Carolina and what is it? 15.5? So we've improved 2 points per game? That's not enough of an improvement when you're talking about being that LOW last year.

 

 

Don't forget, we got Tulsa instead of Louisville or Rutgers.  No real progress here.

[raptorcj]

Edsel!? C'mon Trip, you at least gotta step it up to a Pacer or a K-car to get some of these kids to understand the analogy...ah, heck, even those are too old.

[Who'sYourData?]

 

 

 

People who think CWT will be fired are completely delusional ... (note, I didn't say "should be fired"... I said "will be fired"... "should" implies opinion, "will" implies fact)

 

He will NOT be fired.  USF cannot afford to pay for THREE HEAD COACHES AT THE SAME TIME.  In 2015, Holtz has one more year of his buyout.  Firing CWT means paying HIS buyout... then paying the salary for another coach.

 

It may be ugly... but 4 wins are double last year... and more than Skip's last year...

 

It may not be fast enough for some people... but the team is improving.

 

Harlan is not going to fire CWT when he is making progress, and we can't really afford it anyway.

 

 

Tell us how much money USF is losing in ticket sales, merchandising, donations, etc. along with intangibles of public opinion, etc.? USF has never made money on football, only about 20 programs do. Are donors going to cough up money next year for this mess or donate more for a change? You have to think  outside the box and not just at one cost factor and take into effect that football straight up is a loss leader that's undertaken not for income but for advertising to donors and potential students.

 

 

Donors already had to cough up to get Taggart... hard to go back and ask them to pay to get rid of him... especially when we have to start paying "full cost of attendance" for student athletes.

 

Sorry, but USF has to factor the costs... and weigh it against the improvement.

 

 

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.  The cost for Taggart plus the annual cost for Holtz not coaching was at a discount since Taggart came in at a much lower salary than Holtz would have gotten for coaching the prior season.  The guaranteed base salary contract amount is only based on the check directly from the University and does not include monies from the donor accounts and other supplemental accounts. USF had to pay for his buyout from WKU of $500K but that plus the salary was only slightly above what Holtz would be making at $2M per year.  Willie's $1.15M per year + Holtz's $500K guaranteed base = $1.65M/yr << $2M/yr for Holtz.

 

 

You have not figured in the cost of assistant coaches.  Because of his lower salary, the assistant salary pool was significantly bumped.  That is why we we are able to have ex-NFL coaches on defense in Breshnahan and Cooper.

[Who'sYourData?]

Ever notice most taking dumps on Taggart are unapologetic Holtz fans?   USF went  from a team which went to a few bowls and would win 6 to 9 games a season to a real crappy team in 3 years.  So using this logic (if you want to call it that) we give one guy 3 years to flush the team down the toilet but  the successor only gets 2 to get it out of the sewer.  Makes sense.

 

This team is far, far worse than the worst USF team under Holtz.  It isn't even close.  You are delusional if you believe otherwise.

 

But I'll play your game.  How many years would you like to give Taggart before we fire him?  Does he get one more year to move our defense up to #115 in Division I?

[Who'sYourData?]

 

Snarling Bull, you are one of the few who I have no issue with on this. You were not a Holtz apologist.  I remember the bags.

 

Wanting to change football coaches every two years IS an issue ... 

 

 

I am normally on the other side of this issue.  I think coaches should get more time.  But it is mind numbing how many poor decisions Taggart has made.  If he reallys started QF with only 16 plays that he could run in a Division I football game, that is pretty mind boggling.  High school QBs have more plays than that to work with.

[Triple B]

 

Ever notice most taking dumps on Taggart are unapologetic Holtz fans?   USF went  from a team which went to a few bowls and would win 6 to 9 games a season to a real crappy team in 3 years.  So using this logic (if you want to call it that) we give one guy 3 years to flush the team down the toilet but  the successor only gets 2 to get it out of the sewer.  Makes sense.

 

This team is far, far worse than the worst USF team under Holtz.  It isn't even close.  You are delusional if you believe otherwise.

 

But I'll play your game.  How many years would you like to give Taggart before we fire him?  Does he get one more year to move our defense up to #115 in Division I?

 

 

If you think this team is far, far worse than the team Holtz trotted out for Pittsburgh in his last game there's only one thing to say ....

 

[Who'sYourData?]

 

 

Ever notice most taking dumps on Taggart are unapologetic Holtz fans?   USF went  from a team which went to a few bowls and would win 6 to 9 games a season to a real crappy team in 3 years.  So using this logic (if you want to call it that) we give one guy 3 years to flush the team down the toilet but  the successor only gets 2 to get it out of the sewer.  Makes sense.

 

This team is far, far worse than the worst USF team under Holtz.  It isn't even close.  You are delusional if you believe otherwise.

 

But I'll play your game.  How many years would you like to give Taggart before we fire him?  Does he get one more year to move our defense up to #115 in Division I?

 

 

If you think this team is far, far worse than the team Holtz trotted out for Pittsburgh in his last game there's only one thing to say ....

 

 

 

Yeah, this year's team was brilliant against NC State.

 

You pick out the last game of a lost year as your example?  How about NC State this year, early in the season when things were supposed to be looking up? 

 

That is clearly a far better barometer to anyone being objective.

[raptorcj]

^ You used far too many far's to be credible, Shadow. The post-BJ Holtz games were very revealing as to how we would fare in the future with Holtz. Mercifully, we didn't have to find out.