Butch Davis

[Bullshiznitz]

He is my least favorite candidate.

Consistent .500 team at UNC. Academic issues. BLEHEhh

3 straight 8 win seasons. 3 straight bowl games. yes he was .500 in conference but he was just starting to turn that program around.

as for the academic issues, it has been said multiple times that he was cleared of any wrong doing by the ncaa. he isn't guilty of anything. he was fired at UNC so the school could save face, not because he did anything wrong.

he recruited a bunch of kids that not only cheated in academics but also accepted illegal benefits from agents. he may have been cleared but he ran a dirty program. no thanks. I may not want altar boys that holtz brought in but i don't want guys who cheat either.

I'm pretty sure we already have an example of one of our players possibly academically cheating, doesn't mean the coach was involved or ran a dirty program. If thats your criteria, you can probably eliminate 90% of the coaches we are about to interview. Unless he was involved, or blatantly neglegant (he doesn't appear to be either) in what was going on, a coach can't control everything. He took a "dirty" program in Miami and cleaned it up. So how exactly if he's been cleared, has he "cheated"?

[OnTheBus]

Bulls247â€@Bulls247

Butch Davis and USF meet? This is what we're hearing - http://ow.ly/fT7Ht

Interview today according to the link provided.

[deters-]

Bulls247â€@Bulls247

Butch Davis and USF meet? This is what we're hearing - http://ow.ly/fT7Ht

Interview today according to the link provided.

Good. I hope he or Taggart get the job. With both have connections in Florida either one would be a good hire. Davis has the upper hand in getting better assistants though.

[Bull94]

He is my least favorite candidate.

Consistent .500 team at UNC. Academic issues. BLEHEhh

3 straight 8 win seasons. 3 straight bowl games. yes he was .500 in conference but he was just starting to turn that program around.

as for the academic issues, it has been said multiple times that he was cleared of any wrong doing by the ncaa. he isn't guilty of anything. he was fired at UNC so the school could save face, not because he did anything wrong.

he recruited a bunch of kids that not only cheated in academics but also accepted illegal benefits from agents. he may have been cleared but he ran a dirty program. no thanks. I may not want altar boys that holtz brought in but i don't want guys who cheat either.

I'm pretty sure we already have an example of one of our players possibly academically cheating, doesn't mean the coach was involved or ran a dirty program. If thats your criteria, you can probably eliminate 90% of the coaches we are about to interview. Unless he was involved, or blatantly neglegant (he doesn't appear to be either) in what was going on, a coach can't control everything. He took a "dirty" program in Miami and cleaned it up. So how exactly if he's been cleared, has he "cheated"?

ben moffitt? really? you're comparing that situation where his wife claimed she did some of his work to a situation where an entire department literally let football players take no show classes. 54 classes in all. one class had 19 football players and nobody else supposedly. yea same thing. or where multiple football players took cash, cars, trips and jewelry from agents. 11 suspended for first game. 7 suspended for the year. all this for 2 ties for 3rd place in acc coastal division.

[Bull94]

He is my least favorite candidate.

Consistent .500 team at UNC. Academic issues. BLEHEhh

3 straight 8 win seasons. 3 straight bowl games. yes he was .500 in conference but he was just starting to turn that program around.

as for the academic issues, it has been said multiple times that he was cleared of any wrong doing by the ncaa. he isn't guilty of anything. he was fired at UNC so the school could save face, not because he did anything wrong.

he recruited a bunch of kids that not only cheated in academics but also accepted illegal benefits from agents. he may have been cleared but he ran a dirty program. no thanks. I may not want altar boys that holtz brought in but i don't want guys who cheat either.

by that same notion holtz recruited guys that beat their girlfriends, and stole iphones.

how was davis to know what the kids he recruited would do behind his back? unless they were doing the same thing in highschool he would have had no idea they would do it in college.

find a person who can predict what 18-22 year olds will do in the future and USF might hire them.

that was a transfer and a walk on. he didn't recruit either of them.

I get you can't control everybody but i guarantee a program like stanford will have less player arrests than say UF. it goes to the character of the recruits.

he may not have been caught but that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.

Edited December 6, 2012 by Bull94

[deters-]

He is my least favorite candidate.

Consistent .500 team at UNC. Academic issues. BLEHEhh

3 straight 8 win seasons. 3 straight bowl games. yes he was .500 in conference but he was just starting to turn that program around.

as for the academic issues, it has been said multiple times that he was cleared of any wrong doing by the ncaa. he isn't guilty of anything. he was fired at UNC so the school could save face, not because he did anything wrong.

he recruited a bunch of kids that not only cheated in academics but also accepted illegal benefits from agents. he may have been cleared but he ran a dirty program. no thanks. I may not want altar boys that holtz brought in but i don't want guys who cheat either.

by that same notion holtz recruited guys that beat their girlfriends, and stole iphones.

how was davis to know what the kids he recruited would do behind his back? unless they were doing the same thing in highschool he would have had no idea they would do it in college.

find a person who can predict what 18-22 year olds will do in the future and USF might hire them.

that was a transfer and a walk on. he didn't recruit either of them.

I get you can't control everybody but i guarantee a program like Stanford will have less player arrests than say UF. it goes to the character of the recruits.

He might not have recruited them out of high school but he did recruit them when they decided to transfer or walk on. Holtz could have easily said no to both of them but didn't. Therefore he did allow their services on his team, so he should by your reasoning be held accountable for their actions and be labeled.

You can't control what others will do in the future and you can't control them from doing what they want. The UNC debacle was more an institutional problem not a coach problem. NCAA says he's clean and he didn't receive any punishment. UNC just tried to save face and make the mess go away from media scrutiny so they fired him. Their own chancellor even backed up Davis after the firing.

Btw, I guess if he was so "tainted" as you claim, USF wouldn't be talking to him but they are.

[TyBull]

Bobby Petrino

Willie Taggert

Butch Davis

Come on DW...

You can do it!

[Bull94]

He is my least favorite candidate.

Consistent .500 team at UNC. Academic issues. BLEHEhh

3 straight 8 win seasons. 3 straight bowl games. yes he was .500 in conference but he was just starting to turn that program around.

as for the academic issues, it has been said multiple times that he was cleared of any wrong doing by the ncaa. he isn't guilty of anything. he was fired at UNC so the school could save face, not because he did anything wrong.

he recruited a bunch of kids that not only cheated in academics but also accepted illegal benefits from agents. he may have been cleared but he ran a dirty program. no thanks. I may not want altar boys that holtz brought in but i don't want guys who cheat either.

by that same notion holtz recruited guys that beat their girlfriends, and stole iphones.

how was davis to know what the kids he recruited would do behind his back? unless they were doing the same thing in highschool he would have had no idea they would do it in college.

find a person who can predict what 18-22 year olds will do in the future and USF might hire them.

that was a transfer and a walk on. he didn't recruit either of them.

I get you can't control everybody but i guarantee a program like Stanford will have less player arrests than say UF. it goes to the character of the recruits.

He might not have recruited them out of high school but he did recruit them when they decided to transfer or walk on. Holtz could have easily said no to both of them but didn't. Therefore he did allow their services on his team, so he should by your reasoning be held accountable for their actions and be labeled.

You can't control what others will do in the future and you can't control them from doing what they want. The UNC debacle was more an institutional problem not a coach problem. NCAA says he's clean and he didn't receive any punishment. UNC just tried to save face and make the mess go away from media scrutiny so they fired him. Their own chancellor even backed up Davis after the firing.

Btw, I guess if he was so "tainted" as you claim, USF wouldn't be talking to him but they are.

an institutional problem where nearly 40% of the cheaters were football players. almost $30k in illegal gifts. I love how people deflect blame. he ran a dirty program. whether or not he knew. just because usf is supposedly interviewing him doesn't make what happened disappear. I get it's no longer about the student anymore. it's only about the athlete but i don't want our program to become a renagade program like some of the football factories in the past.

[Atlanta Bull]

Solid candidate, I'd be stoked if they hired him. Every coach from here on out is going to be a temporary gig (see Cincy), it is what it is. I think its going to come down to who clicks with Doug on the interview, Willie or Butch.

[deters-]

He is my least favorite candidate.

Consistent .500 team at UNC. Academic issues. BLEHEhh

3 straight 8 win seasons. 3 straight bowl games. yes he was .500 in conference but he was just starting to turn that program around.

as for the academic issues, it has been said multiple times that he was cleared of any wrong doing by the ncaa. he isn't guilty of anything. he was fired at UNC so the school could save face, not because he did anything wrong.

he recruited a bunch of kids that not only cheated in academics but also accepted illegal benefits from agents. he may have been cleared but he ran a dirty program. no thanks. I may not want altar boys that holtz brought in but i don't want guys who cheat either.

by that same notion holtz recruited guys that beat their girlfriends, and stole iphones.

how was davis to know what the kids he recruited would do behind his back? unless they were doing the same thing in highschool he would have had no idea they would do it in college.

find a person who can predict what 18-22 year olds will do in the future and USF might hire them.

that was a transfer and a walk on. he didn't recruit either of them.

I get you can't control everybody but i guarantee a program like Stanford will have less player arrests than say UF. it goes to the character of the recruits.

He might not have recruited them out of high school but he did recruit them when they decided to transfer or walk on. Holtz could have easily said no to both of them but didn't. Therefore he did allow their services on his team, so he should by your reasoning be held accountable for their actions and be labeled.

You can't control what others will do in the future and you can't control them from doing what they want. The UNC debacle was more an institutional problem not a coach problem. NCAA says he's clean and he didn't receive any punishment. UNC just tried to save face and make the mess go away from media scrutiny so they fired him. Their own chancellor even backed up Davis after the firing.

Btw, I guess if he was so "tainted" as you claim, USF wouldn't be talking to him but they are.

an institutional problem where nearly 40% of the cheaters were football players. almost $30k in illegal gifts. I love how people deflect blame. he ran a dirty program. whether or not he knew. just because usf is supposedly interviewing him doesn't make what happened disappear. I get it's no longer about the student anymore. it's only about the athlete but i don't want our program to become a renagade program like some of the football factories in the past.

Your directing the blame that falls 100% on the student athlete onto the coach. The coach didn't cheat on tests, nor did he take incentives or gifts. If Davis was handing out gifts and making classes for only his football team, then yes he would be running a dirty program but he didn't do that.

The NCAA cleared him of any wrong doing. Anything you as a fan say won't change the fact that they disproved that he ran a dirty program and was involved.