SKIP HOLTZ TO RESIGN AFTER PITT GAME TONIGHT

[GaUSFBull]

Hem, we got your back. Unlike some who try to use your words to make money while concurrently trying to discredit you because you knew something sooner than they did, you sound earnest and honest. Also given the fact that you show up one time with a bit of information which you wanted to share, while your detractors always show up to try to discredit anyone who has info that the pay site mafia hasn't discerned yet makes you more credible and believeable to me. My advice, keep posting, ignore the chumps and be satisfied that 90% of what you originally claimed comes true.

I appreciate it, it's just frustrating. I'm not here to troll or post BS, I could care less who "scoops it first". I just thought everyone would want to know what I have heard and seen.

Look, we get it. You said something about people being afraid to post new info on here, that's just not true. People post new info all the time, they usually just have something to back it up. It's SOP.

I posted something about a series with Georgia Tech coming up, all the info I had was what my boss was telling me. No link to cite, no source to quote, etc. I'm not above posting something like you did, I did it recently, but the worst thing you can do on this board when you put yourself out on a limb, and the limb breaks, is to get defensive and lash out. A little laughing at yourself would be good medicine for all.

No big deal, carry on, but just wanted to add my 2 cents.

[crambone]

lol

[snarling Bull]

Sure,go get a new coach. After those what, 10, BCS staffs that are vacant get filled I am sure that there will be dozens of candidates better than Holtz that will be able to come in and win the Big East next season and make USF fans and alumni happy. Dozens. Maybe hundreds. No way you could go winless next year with a new coach. No way.

But we're sure to win more games in 2013 than this year with Holtz, right? After all, look at the trend ...

Somehow, Skip won a whole bunch of games at USF in 2010. What's different?

8 games is a bunch?

As for what's different, 5-7 in 2011 and 3-9 this year. Or do you not agree?

So the staff is the same those two years?

Other than Cosh, yes, but he's running the same schemes as the previous DC did. McGeoghan left, but that doesn't really move the meter.

Continue, please, to try to craft your apologist basis for Holtz, this is fun.

Why don't you craft your reasons why the past two seasons happened after a seasons of firsts? First wins at Rutgers and Louisville, first and only win against Miami. When you find out what's wrong...you fix it. Obviously, this coach has won here before but something must have changed, right? If they fix that with a new staff and he stays and wins are you still going to call for him to leave? Is it more important than he leave or USF win?

When a team is as young as USF, performing "firsts" is a lot easier. I mean, USF has only played Miami twice without Holtz as coach, and one of those was in 2005 when USF was still horribly outmatched, so him being the coach when they first beat Miami doesn't exactly mean a whole lot. Not that some of them weren't a big deal ... but a lot of bad firsts happened under Holtz's watch too. You are naive if you don't see that the trend is downward.

huge downward spiral

[Brad]

Hem, we got your back. Unlike some who try to use your words to make money while concurrently trying to discredit you because you knew something sooner than they did, you sound earnest and honest. Also given the fact that you show up one time with a bit of information which you wanted to share, while your detractors always show up to try to discredit anyone who has info that the pay site mafia hasn't discerned yet makes you more credible and believeable to me. My advice, keep posting, ignore the chumps and be satisfied that 90% of what you originally claimed comes true.

I appreciate it, it's just frustrating. I'm not here to troll or post BS, I could care less who "scoops it first". I just thought everyone would want to know what I have heard and seen.

Look, we get it. You said something about people being afraid to post new info on here, that's just not true. People post new info all the time, they usually just have something to back it up. It's SOP.

I posted something about a series with Georgia Tech coming up, all the info I had was what my boss was telling me. No link to cite, no source to quote, etc. I'm not above posting something like you did, I did it recently, but the worst thing you can do on this board when you put yourself out on a limb, and the limb breaks, is to get defensive and lash out. A little laughing at yourself would be good medicine for all.

No big deal, carry on, but just wanted to add my 2 cents.

GaUSFBull, I love ya. I think your inside info on the the potential USF-GTech game made us all think regardless of whether it came to fruition. Had it not been for you, we would have never known. No "freedom of information act" request would have uncovered the info and hope you gave us. It helped us know the USF Admin was doing something - and that is good. So, for Hem, the same. Most did not believe, but, knowing about a discussion helps. I think we all know USF Football ain't working and ought to hold back judgment a little while longer.

[GaUSFBull]

Agreed - nice to know the wheels are still turning in the factory a little bit.

[Reliable Source]

GA and Brad....

[Ruger7mmmag]

Beating ND was awesome, i was there as many on here were, but let's be real, ALOT OF TEAMS BEAT THAT ND TEAM THAT SEASON! Same for those other big wins that are being alluded to. Fact is, when you watched the games under CJL, the talent was there, we were just a smidge away from this program becoming a real legitimate world beater and annual top 25 team which would've been awesome for a program with our short history.

Since CJL left, Skip has done a great job managing the APR but other than that he's been absolutely incompetent on every level. The players have not developed at all. Good coaches develop talent. True you aren't going to take 50 1 stars and turn them into first rounders, but you should be able to make them execute basic plays. The teams beating us are great examples. Look at their roster and they aren't loaded with 5 times the talent! Yet they're beating the hell out of us! Why? They know how to use the talent they have and they can MANAGE A GAME.

It won't matter what coordinators are brought in if the head coach doesn't have these three things:

1. Ability to develop players

2. Ability to inspire players and fans

3. Ability to manage the game

When you look at players since Holtz came, do you see guys who were unknowns now becoming draft worthy players? Guys like Selvie, Henry, Jenkins, Williams, Nicholas, McKenzie, etc.? Even guys who didn't make the NFL, but were great players who were borderline prospects.

Instead all you see are guys that were brought in who TOP PROGRAMS also had high hopes for and here they are 2-3 seasons later and they look no different than they did their first season. That's all HEAD COACHING.

Assistants take the lead from the coach. The players take on the personality of the coach for better or worse. This program had plenty of talent when CJL was let go. All we needed was someone who could take us just a step further in managing the game.

Now we have someone who not only has no clue how to manage a game, but can't drive development in players or schemes.

Physically, this team is not a 3 win team. That speaks to the disaster of the coaching job that USF has been subjected to and Woolard rewarding that was a mind blowing screw up. We'd been better for Holtz to get hired to a "better" program as that builds hype vs. what we are stuck with now. Better to have a coach hired away than fire him. If you were looking at two jobs in your career, which one would you want? The one job where they canned the guy due to performance or the job the guy is gone bc the territory kicked ass so much it got him promoted?

Woolard is great at facilities but it's amateur hour when it comes to these coaches and it's relfected in this situation. If in CJLs last season if you would've been told that WVU and others would've been off the schedule, would you not have all but bet the house we'd win this conference?

Don't forget how good this program was talent wise. We just needed a little more experience to get us over the top. Now we need a rebuilder. That's how bad Skip has dismantled this program due to his lack of ability to develop players and manage a program.

He's done NOTHING prior to USF to suggest he can turn it around. ECU? He had a freak at RB in Chris Johnson against highschool talent who couldn't tackle him. Without CJ, that team would've been lucky to win 3 games like we're seeing here.

Suck it up, fire the guy and let's move on. We don't have time with the realignment process to stick with Holtz. Our program is on life support and our only prayer is to catch lightning in a bottle and you can't do that without change.

[GaUSFBull]

GA and Brad....

You just wish it was me and you, Bill.

[GaUSFBull]

Beating ND was awesome, i was there as many on here were, but let's be real, ALOT OF TEAMS BEAT THAT ND TEAM THAT SEASON! Same for those other big wins that are being alluded to. Fact is, when you watched the games under CJL, the talent was there, we were just a smidge away from this program becoming a real legitimate world beater and annual top 25 team which would've been awesome for a program with our short history.

Since CJL left, Skip has done a great job managing the APR but other than that he's been absolutely incompetent on every level. The players have not developed at all. Good coaches develop talent. True you aren't going to take 50 1 stars and turn them into first rounders, but you should be able to make them execute basic plays. The teams beating us are great examples. Look at their roster and they aren't loaded with 5 times the talent! Yet they're beating the hell out of us! Why? They know how to use the talent they have and they can MANAGE A GAME.

It won't matter what coordinators are brought in if the head coach doesn't have these three things:

1. Ability to develop players

2. Ability to inspire players and fans

3. Ability to manage the game

When you look at players since Holtz came, do you see guys who were unknowns now becoming draft worthy players? Guys like Selvie, Henry, Jenkins, Williams, Nicholas, McKenzie, etc.? Even guys who didn't make the NFL, but were great players who were borderline prospects.

Instead all you see are guys that were brought in who TOP PROGRAMS also had high hopes for and here they are 2-3 seasons later and they look no different than they did their first season. That's all HEAD COACHING.

Assistants take the lead from the coach. The players take on the personality of the coach for better or worse. This program had plenty of talent when CJL was let go. All we needed was someone who could take us just a step further in managing the game.

Now we have someone who not only has no clue how to manage a game, but can't drive development in players or schemes.

Physically, this team is not a 3 win team. That speaks to the disaster of the coaching job that USF has been subjected to and Woolard rewarding that was a mind blowing screw up. We'd been better for Holtz to get hired to a "better" program as that builds hype vs. what we are stuck with now. Better to have a coach hired away than fire him. If you were looking at two jobs in your career, which one would you want? The one job where they canned the guy due to performance or the job the guy is gone bc the territory kicked ass so much it got him promoted?

Woolard is great at facilities but it's amateur hour when it comes to these coaches and it's relfected in this situation. If in CJLs last season if you would've been told that WVU and others would've been off the schedule, would you not have all but bet the house we'd win this conference?

Don't forget how good this program was talent wise. We just needed a little more experience to get us over the top. Now we need a rebuilder. That's how bad Skip has dismantled this program due to his lack of ability to develop players and manage a program.

He's done NOTHING prior to USF to suggest he can turn it around. ECU? He had a freak at RB in Chris Johnson against highschool talent who couldn't tackle him. Without CJ, that team would've been lucky to win 3 games like we're seeing here.

Suck it up, fire the guy and let's move on. We don't have time with the realignment process to stick with Holtz. Our program is on life support and our only prayer is to catch lightning in a bottle and you can't do that without change.

Amen brother!

+200

[jg]

Fkcing retards