BJ vs. EJ

[thebouncer1898]

The fact that BJ does not always plant his feet drives me nuts. His throws would be so much better. I was impressed w/ EJ Manuel

His fundamentals haven't changed since the day he walked onto campus. Soooo frustrating.

Coaching is big part of this problem

Agreed to an extent. BJ has gotten better at certain things, but he does a lot of the same bonehead mistakes. I feel like he isn't as good as we all hoped/anticipated for which leads to the constant frustration.

[Bull94]

USF runs a spread option read offense, that seems like it's been utilized for Daniels. It seems like BJ has about 10-15 runs per game, sometimes more. That's different from what FSU does with Manuel. And you really don't think FSU game planned around BJ's ineffectiveness in the passing game? FSU took away the long pass from BJ (he tried to force it into deep coverage numerous times) and gave up anything short and tackled that well. The plan was to not get beat deep and we didn't. Early in the game FSU had to respect the fact BJ could pull back the read and run. This resulted in the RB being able to get some yards when actually receiving the ball (not a result of a good USF run game rather DLine waiting to attack runner). Once FSU had the lead and BJ had to throw to stay in the game, FSU pinned its ears back and stuffed USF's run and pressured Daniels like crazy, that's why he as throwing the ball away so much at the end. USF could have moved the ball vs. FSU if BJ would have just been able to hit the 5-10 yard passes consistently, FSU was giving him that all game. But BJ couldn't like he hasn't been able to his entire career and thus USF didn't take advantage

we averaged 5.5 ypc in first quarter. 82 yards on 15 carries. we chewed up almost 11 minutes of the quarter.

our genius OC calls 9 pass plays and 1 run in 2nd quarter.

our OC once again went away from it.

FSU loaded up the box. IF Fitch tried to keep running against that, he would have been hammered for not throwing the ball.

really? was the box loaded mysteriously at the end of 1st quarter? Murray had a 6 yard run right before 2nd quarter started. he didn't even try to run at all in 2nd quarter even though we had the ball at their 49. does georgia tech stop running when 8 go in the box? oh and BTW one of the coaches said they didn't even do that until after the half.your buddy Fitch is using it as an excuse. make them prove they can stop it. they didn't. we stopped ourselves.

you have an awful lot of excuses just like the coaches.

we had 3 runs to start 3rd quarter in which we scored a TD. I guess box wasn't loaded then.

I couldn't pick Fitch out of a line up...sorry Bud.

And for the beginning of the 3rd quarter, didn't that drive start down near the goal line? Passing inside of the redzone, much less the 10 yard line is pretty difficult.

passing is difficult but running isn't?? yikes . talk about a box being loaded.

tell me how they defended the deep ball as your fsu buddy suggests and also stacked the box when we go 4 and 5 wide?? tell me how that works?

our coaches gave up on the run at a critical time in the game. we averaged over 5.5 ypc in first quarter and we ran 1 out of 10 times in 2nd quarter.

Fitch gives up on the run. that's why we have a QB that is a better runner than passer average 2.8 passes for every run.

Thanks for making me feel so well-known and liked....didn't realize I have so many friends out there.

And, if you watch the replay they stacked the box and played man on the outsides. FSU has better athletes than USF and they trusted their corners to cover 1 on 1 on the deep plays.

man on the outside with how many wrs split out leaves how many in box? you may buy fitch's excuses but i sure don't.

BJ Daniels had 0 carries in 2nd and 3rd quarter if you take away the three he had for a TD. that is awful use of you best offensive weapon which is to run BJ.

of course we open up the 4th quarter with an 18 yard BJ Daniels run.

[CousinRicky]

Pretty sure Jimbo Fisher said in an interview after the game that they had to load up the box to stop the run and trust their corners to play 1 on 1.

[Bull94]

Pretty sure Jimbo Fisher said in an interview after the game that they had to load up the box to stop the run and trust their corners to play 1 on 1.

he did say that and I believe he said they did it in the 2nd half. doesn't explain 1 carry and 9 passes in 2nd quarter. also with the spread, we put at least 4 guys wide which means they need 4 to cover. that leaves 7 defenders. same as 4 down linemen and 3 LBs in stopping run. can't really put 8 or 9 (load the box) against spread.

Fitch uses it as an excuse. BJ daniels had 0 carries in 2nd and 3rd quarter if you take out 3 carries for TD. our best runner who averaged 4.8 ypc for the game gets essentially 0 carries through 2 quarters that decided game. of course first play of 4th quarter he has an 18 yard run. technically on the last play of 3rd quarter he had a 20 yard run called back.

I think once again Fitch gave up on the run. BJ had 14 passes against 3 runs(3 straight for TD) in 2nd and 3rd quarters combined. 1 thing is for sure, you can't be effective running the ball if you don't actually do it.

[CousinRicky]

If my math serves me correctly, if we put in 4 WRs and have a QB and a RB in the backfield, doesn't that leave 5 guys to block their 7?

[Bull94]

If my math serves me correctly, if we put in 4 WRs and have a QB and a RB in the backfield, doesn't that leave 5 guys to block their 7?

RB can block. we averaged almost 4 ypc. Daniels averaged over 5 ypc if you take out sacks. he had 30 yards rushing in 4th quarter and that doesn't include 20+ run at end of 3rd called back. Murray had 5 carries in 1st quarter. his average went up but only had 2 more carries for the entire game. he averaged 5.7 ypc and had 2 carries from end of 1st quarter until end of game.

why does he have BJ pass the ball 14 times and only run it 3 times (hey we scored a TD) for 2nd and 3rd quarters? BJ still ran the ball well even when they brought up safeties. he ripped off a 20+ run and another 18+ run back to back. we scored on that drive.

I'm not saying we could have won the game. they were more talented. doesn't change the fact that our QB is a much better runner than thrower and we didn't even try to run him during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

Edited October 2, 2012 by Bull94

[DELdaBull]

What I saw for most of the game was #27 man on man with Davis with a safety over the top. Therefore, the box could not have been "stacked"

[BullAlum05]

USF runs a spread option read offense, that seems like it's been utilized for Daniels. It seems like BJ has about 10-15 runs per game, sometimes more. That's different from what FSU does with Manuel. And you really don't think FSU game planned around BJ's ineffectiveness in the passing game? FSU took away the long pass from BJ (he tried to force it into deep coverage numerous times) and gave up anything short and tackled that well. The plan was to not get beat deep and we didn't. Early in the game FSU had to respect the fact BJ could pull back the read and run. This resulted in the RB being able to get some yards when actually receiving the ball (not a result of a good USF run game rather DLine waiting to attack runner). Once FSU had the lead and BJ had to throw to stay in the game, FSU pinned its ears back and stuffed USF's run and pressured Daniels like crazy, that's why he as throwing the ball away so much at the end. USF could have moved the ball vs. FSU if BJ would have just been able to hit the 5-10 yard passes consistently, FSU was giving him that all game. But BJ couldn't like he hasn't been able to his entire career and thus USF didn't take advantage

It's sad that an opposing team's fan sees this clear as day, but many on here are still in denial about it. Daniels has no touch. He never has since he's been here. If the guy isn't running or trying to launch the ball downfield then he's useless. As much as our play calling sucks, I believe much of it has to do with the fact that our coaches just don't trust this guy. How can you be a senior QB and still not be able to consistently complete the short yardage passes?? I mean a simple screen pass is like a rubik's cube for this guy.

[thebouncer1898]

What I saw for most of the game was #27 man on man with Davis with a safety over the top. Therefore, the box could not have been "stacked"

Well, if theyre playing man on the outside WR's with a safety over the top, that leaves 8 in the box. The LB/DB covering the guy(s) in the slot(s) are considered "in the box" regardless of who they are covering and what position they play.

[thebouncer1898]

USF runs a spread option read offense, that seems like it's been utilized for Daniels. It seems like BJ has about 10-15 runs per game, sometimes more. That's different from what FSU does with Manuel. And you really don't think FSU game planned around BJ's ineffectiveness in the passing game? FSU took away the long pass from BJ (he tried to force it into deep coverage numerous times) and gave up anything short and tackled that well. The plan was to not get beat deep and we didn't. Early in the game FSU had to respect the fact BJ could pull back the read and run. This resulted in the RB being able to get some yards when actually receiving the ball (not a result of a good USF run game rather DLine waiting to attack runner). Once FSU had the lead and BJ had to throw to stay in the game, FSU pinned its ears back and stuffed USF's run and pressured Daniels like crazy, that's why he as throwing the ball away so much at the end. USF could have moved the ball vs. FSU if BJ would have just been able to hit the 5-10 yard passes consistently, FSU was giving him that all game. But BJ couldn't like he hasn't been able to his entire career and thus USF didn't take advantage

It's sad that an opposing team's fan sees this clear as day, but many on here are still in denial about it. Daniels has no touch. He never has since he's been here. If the guy isn't running or trying to launch the ball downfield then he's useless. As much as our play calling sucks, I believe much of it has to do with the fact that our coaches just don't trust this guy. How can you be a senior QB and still not be able to consistently complete the short yardage passes?? I mean a simple screen pass is like a rubik's cube for this guy.

Just like the three quick passes in the flat to t-rex. One was underthrown, one was thrown behind and the one he actually threw on target was dropped.