usf - academic instituition

[mikemcp88]

I think that perception will change as our academic standards continue to improve

[outrunner]

I think that perception will change as our academic standards continue to improve

I would hope so, but we're still fighting the media perception put out there that we're a directional, commuter school.

[GaUSFBull]

I think that perception will change as our academic standards continue to improve

I would hope so, but we're still fighting the media perception put out there that we're a directional, commuter school.

Ugh ... just reading a tweet from Gottlieb makes me want to take a shower. What a dirtbag.

[Joe]

Admission standards are one thing. What kids do when they get in are another. That is what has always hurt our "ranking"

It's true, the biggest issue we'll have with the ACC is our academic standing. It hurt WVU and had it not been for the Virginia legislature, it would have hurt VT too.

Awful though? Maybe compared to Duke, Wake, and Virginia. But those are three of the top schools in not only the country, but the world.

USF is a great school

[Mama_Bull]

From a RESEARCH $$$ standpoint, USF compares favorably with ACC schools.

Total Research Ranking FY2010

5. Duke

11. Pitt

15 UNC

25. GT

37. UMD

47. VPI

50. USF

57. NCSt

74. Miami

75. UVA

84. FSU

101. WF

108. Clemson

140. SU

189. BC

http://www.ns.umich.edu/Releases/2012/Mar12/research-tab15.xls

Federal Research Ranking FY 2010

5. Pitt

9. UNC

13. Duke

25. GT

40. UMD

50. USF

54. UVA

61. Miami

70. VPI

72. WF

80. NCSt

82. FSU

138. Clemson

171. SU

175. BC

http://www.ns.umich.edu/Releases/2012/Mar12/research-tab18.xls

[Mama_Bull]

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

As you noted, our admission standards and freshmen requirements have improved dramatically over a few years. The main thing holding USF back in the rankings is our dreadful student to faculty ratio. We have been continually shortchanged in funding by the state, compared to UF and FSU, and that continues to be the case.

[Mama_Bull]

Admission standards are one thing. What kids do when they get in are another. That is what has always hurt our "ranking"

It's true, the biggest issue we'll have with the ACC is our academic standing. It hurt WVU and had it not been for the Virginia legislature, it would have hurt VT too.

Awful though? Maybe compared to Duke, Wake, and Virginia. But those are three of the top schools in not only the country, but the world.

USF is a great school

But that is the point. UNC, Clemson, Miami, Boston College, GT, etc. are ALL ranked in the top 50 schools nationally. Only FSU is outside the other ACC schools elite rankings. USF has decades of work to catch up with those institutions' overall academic status and respect.

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

As you noted, our admission standards and freshmen requirements have improved dramatically over a few years. The main thing holding USF back in the rankings is our dreadful student to faculty ratio. We have been continually shortchanged in funding by the state, compared to UF and FSU, and that continues to be the case.

That is a start. But what is also needed is the attraction of world class instructors. When I was going to USF in the 80s, one of the math professors had arrived from UF and it was considered a coup to get him to come to Tampa. USF needs professors from MIT, Cal Tech, Whorton School of Business, etc. to get true academic respect and ranking.

Hiring a relatively few top professors, does nothing to improve the student to faculty ratio for the USN&WR rankings. We just need to hire more professors in general to lower that ratio to an acceptable level.

Of course, hiring top professors is one of the benchmarks for gaining AAU membership. But, even the AAU looks at the undergraduate quality of a school when considering them. The other major factor going against us is our very poor graduation rate. I suspect, that is what is keeping Cincy from becoming an AAU member.

[BullFan98]

Answer = No.

[Paisa el Toro]

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

As you noted, our admission standards and freshmen requirements have improved dramatically over a few years. The main thing holding USF back in the rankings is our dreadful student to faculty ratio. We have been continually shortchanged in funding by the state, compared to UF and FSU, and that continues to be the case.

Not only that student/faculty ration but our 6 year graduation rate is atrocious.

[Bull94]

I bet we could hire more faculty to offset that ratio with the $13M a year we get in student tuition to support athletic department.

with our limited funds, we have a choice to invest in academics or athletics. we choose athletics.