FSU to B12?

[Mission9]

I was thinking Cheap Trick Dream Police for link police, much less harsh reference.

Yeah, I went back and forth, didn't use some of the really offensive pictures. But I'm not sure Cheap Trick would have relayed the same concept. Didn't mean for it to be offensive to anyone, it's intended to be a parody.

alles scheisse!

[Bull-by-Marriage]

I was thinking Cheap Trick Dream Police for link police, much less harsh reference.

Yeah, I went back and forth, didn't use some of the really offensive pictures. But I'm not sure Cheap Trick would have relayed the same concept. Didn't mean for it to be offensive to anyone, it's intended to be a parody.

alles scheisse!

No offense taken, the cheap trick thing was strictly a "rhyming" issue. With the passing of Richard Dawson the Hogan's Heroes thing was very timely.

[Reliable Source]

I make no assertion as to the validity of this assessment. I only offer it as an indication of what is being discussed on Tiger BB's. The guy does have 14,000+ posts there, though.

You don't have to open this... [26]

Posted: Jun 5, 2012 3:25 PM Reply

If you just did... then don't complain. Realignment is fluid until the ink dries. Things agreed on yesterday, may not be tomorrow. We'll see how it plays out...

Let's see if we can piece some things together and answer some questions. I'll try and do most of this in order, and give some thoughts and questions to ponder at the end.

1. Clemson and FSU have not been happy with the ACC for quite a while. Internally, there were meetings between the 2 about how to force the ACC's hand into showing more loyalty to it's top 2 football schools. The ACC made two strategically bad decisions that hurt both... they invited Pitt/Cuse over WVU and they went to the 9 game conf. schedule. Both CU and FSU were united in being opposed to the 9 game schedule and both wanted WVU.

2. The Big XII never intended to stay at 10 teams. Given the money involved, and the way the championship was heading, getting back to at least 12 has always been the goal.

3. Intermediaries between CU/FSU and the Big XII began talks late last year. I'll let you figure that out. I'm not giving that out.

4. The entire time, neither CU nor FSU "want" to leave the ACC. The details of the ACC contract begin to leak, and it's pretty bad. In a last ditch effort, CU and FSU ask the ACC to allow them to keep 50% of thier bowl revenue, as opposed to the current model. The ACC refuses.

5. By this time, talks are well underway with the Big XII, via intermediaries, and the ACC's unwillingness to support CU and FSU are seen as the "last straw".

6. In the meantime, the Big XII and SEC know what is coming down the pipe with the "plus 1 model", and they know the benefits of relegating the ACC to "non-existent". They announce the "Champions Bowl". They do not announce many details, b/c they are bluffing the ACC into uneasiness. It works. The TV deal, combined with rumors of CU/FSU, combined with the announcement of the SEC/BigXII working together causes ACC schools to get on the phones to other conferences. The dismembering of the ACC has begun.

7. The "Champions Bowl", combined with the existing alliance of Pac12/B1G, furthers speculation of the four team playoff and ACC being left out.

8. CU's BOT meets to discuss "tuition". "Tuition" equals Big XII. An argument is presented on both sides, and it's pretty intense. In the end, the CUBOT realizes there is only "one choice". Wilkins comments after obviously leave the door open.

9. The Big XII meetings commence. Outwardly, denials, happy at 10, no desire to expand. Inwardly, CU and FSU are both "very much involved" in the meetings, and I don't mean just being discussed. Again, I will have to leave it at that.

10. Calculated leaks begin to take place heading up to June 15 (Bowlsby takes over), June 20 (BCS meetings), and Aug. 15 (last day for team to withdraw from ACC for the year). Example: Forbes article

- When will things go down officially?

Could be anytime after June 15. I doubt it happens before the BCS meetings. Although, keep in mind what comes out of Tally could force Clemson's hand.

- Anything Dodds at UT says is on purpose to throw the media off and make it not look like they're "poaching".

- I don't see the Big XII going past 12 teams right now unless ND is involved. They will make thier intentions known to the Big XII shortly, but they will likely want to join in Olympic sports first, and football later (NBC contract)

- UM and GT have been told "no thanks right now". That could change with ND though (at least for GT).

- Word is leaking out if you ask in the right places, even around Clemson.

- Divisional alignments have already begun to be discussed with a 12 team Big XII that includes both CU and FSU.

- $24 - $27 mil, per team, including the BigXII championship game, are the numbers being thrown around. This does not include the Champions Bowl.

- As the details of the ACC's TV deals, including Raycom, are leaked... the ACC may not have much room for legal posturing. As a matter of fact, CU and FSU may have a case for damages (or no exit fee at the least).

- Why would the Big XII and SEC announce their "alignment" when they did? It's all about timing. No ACC means stronger SEC and Big XII and more opportuntity for money.

- As more teams WITH VALUE are added, TV contracts are redone... so don't say "that just means they split it 12 or 14 ways now".

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Edited June 5, 2012 by Bullwinkle

[Who'sYourData?]

I haven't read much of his stuff, but that jives almost precisely with "rumors" from various other sources I've read.

[Triple B]

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[SRQ]

Seems quite clear that if Bulls wish to join the sinking ACC ship there is only one move to make:

Then there’s Swofford’s son, Chad Swofford, who is the Senior Director of New Media and Business Development at Raycom Sports (he was also employed by Boston College athletics when the school received an invite from the ACC).

[Joe]

Message board insider info. Quality stuff.

[Reliable Source]

Message board insider info. Quality stuff.

Why don't you share with us your infinite wisdom, oh sage one? What do your sources tell you? Oh you have none? I thought so. I quoted Forbes magazine earlier today. I'm sure you have got much better sources than that. All you do is sit around and try to shoot down people who have taken the time to become educated about this stuff and make snarky comments about their posts. Spare us. Edited June 5, 2012 by Bullwinkle

[Reliable Source]

Seems quite clear that if Bulls wish to join the sinking ACC ship there is only one move to make:

Then there’s Swofford’s son, Chad Swofford, who is the Senior Director of New Media and Business Development at Raycom Sports (he was also employed by Boston College athletics when the school received an invite from the ACC).

Hire Chad? We are quite familiar with Chads here in FL. Be they hanging, or dimple...