USF/Big East Realignment Discussion Thread

[Cow Pie]

Bull94,

That's very nice in theory, but the reality is that FSU and Miami will prevent us from getting in if we are even a candidate.

How do you know this?  Why are so many people spout things they think are true as facts?  You have no idea what the Presidents at Florida, FSU, or Miami are thinking.

Say you're the President at FSU or Miami. What good would it do you to bring in USF? You can already make a good argument that FSU hold a better share of the Tampa market.

It's already been mentioned on here (and not just by me) that our best chance of getting into the ACC is if FSU leaves. That should tell you that the ACC doesn't want 3 FL teams and FSU would probably be in their ear telling them why they shouldn't add us.

so because public opinion says we won't get an invite then that means we won't get an invite???

why would fsu play a home and away with a potential threat? to put fans in the stands. for the revenue.

the acc and fsu have little to no penetration in this market. it's all sec and the gators.

the acc would be wise to put 3 in this state if they want to start an acc network that covers the entire state in one of the fastest growing states in the country.

our legislature(the ones controlling the purse strings) have far more say than the president. the virginia legislature forced them to lobby for v tech. we are a flagship university in this state(fsu, uf, usf) and the money involved is huge.

Politics are why we wouldn't get the invite.

FSU wasn't drawing well when they signed the series. Do you think they would sign the series today now that they are back on the rise?

FSU has a bigger penetration on this tv market than you think. Agree that UF takes the highest percentage.

Don't get me wrong, I want to be in the ACC. It's the best conference for us.

I'm just making an argument why i think we make a good fit. FSU would not block us. The president wouldn't have the power. there is way too much money involved. Virginia got v tech in ahead of syracuse. I think it's a long shot but still a possibility.

I think if ND goes acc and they need a 16th then we are a legit candidate.

certainly ahead of wvu or anyone located in the north. their north pod would be complete with syracuse, pitt, bc ,ad ND.

I like your arguments. Please don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I want us in the ACC.

I just think that FSU will have the influence of other to not vote is in.

Doubt that. They haven't been able to fill their stadiums for couple years prior to this season. I have no idea how you think FSU can control the ACC. Do you have a source? And if the NBC Sports report is true, they just formed a committee to look at options of leaving the ACC. So they are considering leaving. They may be the 14th SEC team so they may not care or even have a vote next week. Of course this may change after the Pitt/Cuse announcement but maybe not since they are locked in for 27 months/messy trial if they bolt early. Plus if they were so influential with the ACC, they should have known that Pitt and Cuse were coming in and not formed a committee to leave either right? Or if they did know, they still want out. Either way, FSU doesn't seem to have much ACC pull at all.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/14/fsu-forming-committee-to-explore-conference-options/

FSU forming committee to explore conference options

Posted by John Taylor on September 14, 2011, 9:14 AM EDT

During the initial stages of the latest round of expansion apocalypse, Florida State was rumored to be in line to become the “14th†member of the SEC if/when Texas A&M becomes that conference’s 13th school.

The school subsequently denied being interested in such a move, but whispers of the possibility of FSU joining in-state recruiting rival Florida in a conference have continued bubbling just below the surface in the ensuing weeks.

While it remains to be seen whether the rumored gentlemen’s agreement — the SEC unofficially agreeing not to add schools in a state that already has a member — would remain in play in the face of a significant shift on the collegiate landscape, FSU is looking to ensure they are prepared for whatever may be around the next conference corner.

Andy Haggard, chairman of FSU’s board of trustees, told the Palm Beach Post Tuesday that the school is in the process of forming a committee (not pictured) that will explore FSU’s options as it pertains to future conference affiliation.  Those options would apparently include remaining in the ACC or moving to the SEC if enough conference dominoes tumble.

“We are going to explore the conferences, what’s going on and make sure if anything does happen at Florida State that we are ready,†Haggard told the Post.

The committee, which the Post writes will be composed of representatives from the president’s office, the athletic department, Seminole Boosters, Inc., and former athletes, is expected to be up and running at some point next week.

This news comes on the heels of reports the past couple of days that has Texas eyeing the ACC should Oklahoma and Oklahoma State bolt for the Pac-12, thus putting the final nail in the coffin of the Big 12.  The Longhorns are also rumored to be part of a four-school bloc from the Big 12 — the two Oklahoma schools plus Texas Tech — that could move west to the Pac-12 and form the first BcS super conference.

“If you are going to four conferences of 16 teams we certainly want to be ready,†Haggard said. “If the ACC is included in that we want to be sure we are included and have a say so in regard to the teams that are coming into our conference.â€

Haggard made sure to note that FSU is very happy being a member of the ACC, and that the school has received no overtures, official or otherwise, from the SEC.

Of course, depending on how things shakeout in the coming weeks and months, that could very well change at a moment’s notice.

That is a lie... no way in hell the SEC has yet to contact them

[Bull94]

The North Carolina schools (who pretty much run the conference) won't want us because of our academics and the fact that we will cut even further into their recruiting in FL.  Miami won't want us there because we are already making up ground against them without being in a conference that is perceived as just as good as the ACC so we will really hurt them once we are in the same conference and the NCAA slaps them down with big time penalties.  FSU could go either way but I just don't see how having a 3rd ACC team from FL helps them in any way to realistically argue for our addition.  AS far as our market I think between FSU and Miami the ACC already has a big time presence in the state of FL so really it's just over saturation.  This is why Cuse and Pitt were added, new markets, Pennsylvania is a solid talent producing state to boot.  If they were to add Uconn and Rutgers it would just be about further securing the NYC market and getting two schools with strong academics who aren't really a threat to the schools that run the conference in football.  We really bring nothing to the ACC that it doesn't already have.  If the SEC plucks out FSU I Think we have a great shot but outside of that scenario I think we don't bring enough to the table that makes up for us hurting the schools that are already in the conference.  I hope I'm wrong but that's how i see it.  

research we are ranked ahead of at least half the acc including UConn, rutgers and cuse. this seems to be the big thing in big 10 as they are all AAU members.

UNC might want to travel to central florida to in fact improve their recruiting.teams do this by playing in front of recruits and their families on road trips.

FSU and miami are dominated by the gators and the sec in central florida. they have little to no presence. if they wanted to start a network we would be huge in capturing the entire state.

and anybody who thinks rutgers, uconn, or syracuse carry the nyc market has never been there.

Research isn't the end all be all of academics so we do have that card to pull but our overall academic profile is not impressive in the least.  

UNC already is pulling kids out of central Florida and has pulled kids out of schools like Armwood in the past few years so they don't have a problem with their FL presence as far as recruiting goes.  Same for all of the ACC Schools since the ACC has a strong rep amongst prospects and high school coaches in FL.  It's not SEC strong but in FL, really what other conference is?

If you look at the fan numbers posted in the NYT article when you combine FSU and UM in the state its a very big presence and certainly enough make it a strong chip in TV negotiations.  

As for Cuse RU, and Uconn they don't carry the NYC market separately but when combined you are going to have their games on in NYC and their conbined presence in NYC makes that market pretty secure for negotiations.  No one team will ever own the NYC market but when you combine those schools you pretty much have Jersey, Connecticut and the state of NYC well covered which is a ton of eyeballs, and more importantly new eyeballs, for TV negotiations.  

research is HUGE. that's why the big ten just about requires AAU membership. that's a quantifiable measure unlike us news subjective rankings of opinions.

NYT also says we have over 500k fans. that's over 60% of FSU and we are in our 14th year. that would help lock the acc channel in this state.

rutgers, syracuse(private school0 and uconn don't touch nyc market. I don't care what you think. they will have no pull when it comes to getting an acc channel on it's cable networks. usf will help miami and fsu solidify this state.

[79 Bull]

So the meeting tonight is only USF, UC, UL, RU, WV and UConn.  Friggin' Villanova is trying to get an invite.  My favorite line (and a very good idea) from a basketball school not attending.....

However, an official at one of the league's non-football schools questioned whether all of those attending can be trusted.  "Instead of looking each other in the eye, what they should all do is turn on their cell phones and show who they've been talking to and texting with," the official said.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/6997221/sources-big-east-football-schools-meet-new-york-tuesday-night

[Bull94]

The North Carolina schools (who pretty much run the conference) won't want us because of our academics and the fact that we will cut even further into their recruiting in FL.  Miami won't want us there because we are already making up ground against them without being in a conference that is perceived as just as good as the ACC so we will really hurt them once we are in the same conference and the NCAA slaps them down with big time penalties.  FSU could go either way but I just don't see how having a 3rd ACC team from FL helps them in any way to realistically argue for our addition.  AS far as our market I think between FSU and Miami the ACC already has a big time presence in the state of FL so really it's just over saturation.  This is why Cuse and Pitt were added, new markets, Pennsylvania is a solid talent producing state to boot.  If they were to add Uconn and Rutgers it would just be about further securing the NYC market and getting two schools with strong academics who aren't really a threat to the schools that run the conference in football.  We really bring nothing to the ACC that it doesn't already have.  If the SEC plucks out FSU I Think we have a great shot but outside of that scenario I think we don't bring enough to the table that makes up for us hurting the schools that are already in the conference.  I hope I'm wrong but that's how i see it.  

research we are ranked ahead of at least half the acc including UConn, rutgers and cuse. this seems to be the big thing in big 10 as they are all AAU members.

UNC might want to travel to central florida to in fact improve their recruiting.teams do this by playing in front of recruits and their families on road trips.

FSU and miami are dominated by the gators and the sec in central florida. they have little to no presence. if they wanted to start a network we would be huge in capturing the entire state.

and anybody who thinks rutgers, uconn, or syracuse carry the nyc market has never been there.

Research isn't the end all be all of academics so we do have that card to pull but our overall academic profile is not impressive in the least.  

UNC already is pulling kids out of central Florida and has pulled kids out of schools like Armwood in the past few years so they don't have a problem with their FL presence as far as recruiting goes.  Same for all of the ACC Schools since the ACC has a strong rep amongst prospects and high school coaches in FL.  It's not SEC strong but in FL, really what other conference is?

If you look at the fan numbers posted in the NYT article when you combine FSU and UM in the state its a very big presence and certainly enough make it a strong chip in TV negotiations.  

As for Cuse RU, and Uconn they don't carry the NYC market separately but when combined you are going to have their games on in NYC and their conbined presence in NYC makes that market pretty secure for negotiations.  No one team will ever own the NYC market but when you combine those schools you pretty much have Jersey, Connecticut and the state of NYC well covered which is a ton of eyeballs, and more importantly new eyeballs, for TV negotiations.  

research is HUGE. that's why the big ten just about requires AAU membership. that's a quantifiable measure unlike us news subjective rankings of opinions.

NYT also says we have over 500k fans. that's over 60% of FSU and we are in our 14th year. that would help lock the acc channel in this state.

rutgers, syracuse(private school0 and uconn don't touch nyc market. I don't care what you think. they will have no pull when it comes to getting an acc channel on it's cable networks. usf will help miami and fsu solidify this state.

Just 500k? How many alumni are there right now, play family members, etc.. Sounds low.

I can't remember exactly but it's linked like 5 pages back....FSU was at like 800k. that's pretty good for us considering how young the program is

[thatBULL]

interesting poll on who acc should add

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/47590/poll-which-teams-should-acc-add

[Bull Dozer]

The North Carolina schools (who pretty much run the conference) won't want us because of our academics and the fact that we will cut even further into their recruiting in FL.  Miami won't want us there because we are already making up ground against them without being in a conference that is perceived as just as good as the ACC so we will really hurt them once we are in the same conference and the NCAA slaps them down with big time penalties.  FSU could go either way but I just don't see how having a 3rd ACC team from FL helps them in any way to realistically argue for our addition.  AS far as our market I think between FSU and Miami the ACC already has a big time presence in the state of FL so really it's just over saturation.  This is why Cuse and Pitt were added, new markets, Pennsylvania is a solid talent producing state to boot.  If they were to add Uconn and Rutgers it would just be about further securing the NYC market and getting two schools with strong academics who aren't really a threat to the schools that run the conference in football.  We really bring nothing to the ACC that it doesn't already have.  If the SEC plucks out FSU I Think we have a great shot but outside of that scenario I think we don't bring enough to the table that makes up for us hurting the schools that are already in the conference.  I hope I'm wrong but that's how i see it.  

research we are ranked ahead of at least half the acc including UConn, rutgers and cuse. this seems to be the big thing in big 10 as they are all AAU members.

UNC might want to travel to central florida to in fact improve their recruiting.teams do this by playing in front of recruits and their families on road trips.

FSU and miami are dominated by the gators and the sec in central florida. they have little to no presence. if they wanted to start a network we would be huge in capturing the entire state.

and anybody who thinks rutgers, uconn, or syracuse carry the nyc market has never been there.

Research isn't the end all be all of academics so we do have that card to pull but our overall academic profile is not impressive in the least.  

UNC already is pulling kids out of central Florida and has pulled kids out of schools like Armwood in the past few years so they don't have a problem with their FL presence as far as recruiting goes.  Same for all of the ACC Schools since the ACC has a strong rep amongst prospects and high school coaches in FL.  It's not SEC strong but in FL, really what other conference is?

If you look at the fan numbers posted in the NYT article when you combine FSU and UM in the state its a very big presence and certainly enough make it a strong chip in TV negotiations.  

As for Cuse RU, and Uconn they don't carry the NYC market separately but when combined you are going to have their games on in NYC and their conbined presence in NYC makes that market pretty secure for negotiations.  No one team will ever own the NYC market but when you combine those schools you pretty much have Jersey, Connecticut and the state of NYC well covered which is a ton of eyeballs, and more importantly new eyeballs, for TV negotiations.  

research is HUGE. that's why the big ten just about requires AAU membership. that's a quantifiable measure unlike us news subjective rankings of opinions.

NYT also says we have over 500k fans. that's over 60% of FSU and we are in our 14th year. that would help lock the acc channel in this state.

rutgers, syracuse(private school0 and uconn don't touch nyc market. I don't care what you think. they will have no pull when it comes to getting an acc channel on it's cable networks. usf will help miami and fsu solidify this state.

Also opinions and image are just as important in this game.  We are viewed as the 4th best institution in a academically weak state and that's a big problem.  You have the North Carolina block and UVA that will not want to be associated with a school with that kind of rep.  Remember these are people voting, people with egos, images, and reputations to uphold and defend. Penetrating these kind of networks and changing their perception of a school like USF is a uphill battle that we don't have the ammo to win at this point and time.    

You just keep mentioning FSU but this isn't just about FSU its about FSU and UM already giving the ACC a large presences in the state.  The two fan bases combined are larger than the the numbers they reported for Florida.  This gives the ACC the largest entity in the state in fan numbers.  So with that said why would a school like Miami who is about to slapped hard with sanctions want to take away one of the biggest advantages they have over USF who is already closing ground on them?  On a smaller scale this is a problem with FSU as well.  Why elevate USF who will ultimately become more attractive to recruits when you and UM already give the ACC a massive presence in the state?  This also doesn't mention how much more attractive USF would come to FL kids who end up a places like Clemson, the NC Schools, or Va tech?  

[South_Florida_Flip]

Of course news like this doesn't help. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/content/season-ticket-sales-down-6-percent-usf-football

SEPTEMBER 20, 2011

Season ticket sales down 6 percent for USF football

USF football's season ticket sales for 2011 finished down about 6 percent from 2010, with 22,211 total season tickets distributed, about 1,200 less than last season.

The Bulls sold 18,967 season tickets, according to executive associate athletic director Bill McGillis, with another 3,244 allotted for staff use, spirit squads and trade with sponsors. Last year, those totals were 20,236 sold and another 3,228 used for a total of 23,464.

McGillis said there were strong gains in a few key areas -- group sales are at four times what they were a year ago, and single-ticket sales have more than doubled through USF's first two home games (against Ball State and Florida A&M). Of the decrease of 1,269 sold season tickets from a year ago, McGillis said that 366 season tickets from 2010 were sold through a special promotion with Groupon.com, so those weren't directly renewable.

Doesn't help, but with the unemployment rate in this area that's not that bad a number.

The average per game attendance should be higher this season, which is a good sign.

[mikemcp88]

TCU is supposed to be represented tonight as well per USA Today

[USFresh]

Of course news like this doesn't help. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/content/season-ticket-sales-down-6-percent-usf-football

SEPTEMBER 20, 2011

Season ticket sales down 6 percent for USF football

USF football's season ticket sales for 2011 finished down about 6 percent from 2010, with 22,211 total season tickets distributed, about 1,200 less than last season.

The Bulls sold 18,967 season tickets, according to executive associate athletic director Bill McGillis, with another 3,244 allotted for staff use, spirit squads and trade with sponsors. Last year, those totals were 20,236 sold and another 3,228 used for a total of 23,464.

McGillis said there were strong gains in a few key areas -- group sales are at four times what they were a year ago, and single-ticket sales have more than doubled through USF's first two home games (against Ball State and Florida A&M). Of the decrease of 1,269 sold season tickets from a year ago, McGillis said that 366 season tickets from 2010 were sold through a special promotion with Groupon.com, so those weren't directly renewable.

Is Greg serious?????  Perfect timing.  What is he thinking?

[Who'sYourData?]

Of course news like this doesn't help. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/content/season-ticket-sales-down-6-percent-usf-football

SEPTEMBER 20, 2011

Season ticket sales down 6 percent for USF football

USF football's season ticket sales for 2011 finished down about 6 percent from 2010, with 22,211 total season tickets distributed, about 1,200 less than last season.

The Bulls sold 18,967 season tickets, according to executive associate athletic director Bill McGillis, with another 3,244 allotted for staff use, spirit squads and trade with sponsors. Last year, those totals were 20,236 sold and another 3,228 used for a total of 23,464.

McGillis said there were strong gains in a few key areas -- group sales are at four times what they were a year ago, and single-ticket sales have more than doubled through USF's first two home games (against Ball State and Florida A&M). Of the decrease of 1,269 sold season tickets from a year ago, McGillis said that 366 season tickets from 2010 were sold through a special promotion with Groupon.com, so those weren't directly renewable.

Is Greg serious?????  Perfect timing.  What is he thinking?

Season ticket sales are down everywhere.  The article includes that single game ticket sales are up.

If any conference were to ask, that information would be provided anyway.

His article isn't going to change where we end up.