USF/Big East Realignment Discussion Thread

[USF_Jimbo]

You know what actually is the best thing for USF, if we could convince ND to be a package deal and then offer ourselves to SEC or ACC....

I mean c'mon... every single advantage we just discussed about USF to the ACC

What about the SEC... the SEC gains just as much as the ACC would by adding us and you would think that they would each want to block us from joining the other if they could...

If USF and ND could get together as a packaged deal I don't see how either could say no to that combination of national following and recruiting exposure.

The only plausible thing I can see is the ACC saying USF academics are not good enough and feeling that they already have enough of a presence in Florida, but who would they take instead of us?

The SEC I could see turning down ND because they're not really 'southeast' but they would be hard to pass up.

Anyway... It seems that USF could be in a really good spot here for the ACC or SEC possibly wanting to keep USF away from the other, and a possible 3rd conference out of the state.

Just think if the other SEC teams got to double their visits to FL. I imagine they would love it.

why would nd do that.  they can get in to any conference on their own.

Totally agree...they don't need the help of another school.

[Bull94]

Espn article regarding big east meeting tonight says no decisions to be made, and officials are keeping an eye on Big 12 situation. I have zero confidence in this passive, thumb-twiddling approach. I hope Genshaft and woolard GTFO and ditch this group.

One chance to grow a pair and be proactive and the big east lays an egg

+1

[USFresh]

The North Carolina schools (who pretty much run the conference) won't want us because of our academics and the fact that we will cut even further into their recruiting in FL.  Miami won't want us there because we are already making up ground against them without being in a conference that is perceived as just as good as the ACC so we will really hurt them once we are in the same conference and the NCAA slaps them down with big time penalties.  FSU could go either way but I just don't see how having a 3rd ACC team from FL helps them in any way to realistically argue for our addition.  AS far as our market I think between FSU and Miami the ACC already has a big time presence in the state of FL so really it's just over saturation.  This is why Cuse and Pitt were added, new markets, Pennsylvania is a solid talent producing state to boot.  If they were to add Uconn and Rutgers it would just be about further securing the NYC market and getting two schools with strong academics who aren't really a threat to the schools that run the conference in football.  We really bring nothing to the ACC that it doesn't already have.  If the SEC plucks out FSU I Think we have a great shot but outside of that scenario I think we don't bring enough to the table that makes up for us hurting the schools that are already in the conference.  I hope I'm wrong but that's how i see it.  

#1 UVA sets the academic standard in the ACC, not any of the NC Schools, besides Duke which is private

#2 How does NC even have an academic standard?  I grew up in Virginia and have yet to meet an intelligent person from there.....low blow I know, but it was such an easy opening

[Mama_Bull]

Doubt that. They haven't been able to fill their stadiums for couple years prior to this season. I have no idea how you think FSU can control the ACC. Do you have a source?

I have been reading the FSU boards and on our 247 board Corey and Josh have been pretty honest about this relating to the ACC.

FSU certainly doesn't control the ACC, but they could certainly side with the schools in NC, who most likely would be opposed to us.

USF would give FSU and Miami more power as a voting block against the Carolina schools. That could help down the road when other conference matters come up. There are other pluses and minuses to the equation for FSU and Miami to consider. For example, Do those schools really want to play more games in the cold weather? Do they want to travel further? Do they want to put more butts in their seats?

[Gismo]

You know what actually is the best thing for USF, if we could convince ND to be a package deal and then offer ourselves to SEC or ACC....

I mean c'mon... every single advantage we just discussed about USF to the ACC

What about the SEC... the SEC gains just as much as the ACC would by adding us and you would think that they would each want to block us from joining the other if they could...

If USF and ND could get together as a packaged deal I don't see how either could say no to that combination of national following and recruiting exposure.

The only plausible thing I can see is the ACC saying USF academics are not good enough and feeling that they already have enough of a presence in Florida, but who would they take instead of us?

The SEC I could see turning down ND because they're not really 'southeast' but they would be hard to pass up.

Anyway... It seems that USF could be in a really good spot here for the ACC or SEC possibly wanting to keep USF away from the other, and a possible 3rd conference out of the state.

Just think if the other SEC teams got to double their visits to FL. I imagine they would love it.

why would nd do that.  they can get in to any conference on their own.

I know, but maybe they would do it for Holtz... Lou Holtz...? You know... keep it in the family. But ya, they have no incentive to do that... which is why I said we'd have to convince them.

[USFresh]

The North Carolina schools (who pretty much run the conference) won't want us because of our academics and the fact that we will cut even further into their recruiting in FL.  Miami won't want us there because we are already making up ground against them without being in a conference that is perceived as just as good as the ACC so we will really hurt them once we are in the same conference and the NCAA slaps them down with big time penalties.  FSU could go either way but I just don't see how having a 3rd ACC team from FL helps them in any way to realistically argue for our addition.  AS far as our market I think between FSU and Miami the ACC already has a big time presence in the state of FL so really it's just over saturation.  This is why Cuse and Pitt were added, new markets, Pennsylvania is a solid talent producing state to boot.  If they were to add Uconn and Rutgers it would just be about further securing the NYC market and getting two schools with strong academics who aren't really a threat to the schools that run the conference in football.  We really bring nothing to the ACC that it doesn't already have.  If the SEC plucks out FSU I Think we have a great shot but outside of that scenario I think we don't bring enough to the table that makes up for us hurting the schools that are already in the conference.  I hope I'm wrong but that's how i see it.  

research we are ranked ahead of at least half the acc including UConn, rutgers and cuse. this seems to be the big thing in big 10 as they are all AAU members.

UNC might want to travel to central florida to in fact improve their recruiting.teams do this by playing in front of recruits and their families on road trips.

FSU and miami are dominated by the gators and the sec in central florida. they have little to no presence. if they wanted to start a network we would be huge in capturing the entire state.

and anybody who thinks rutgers, uconn, or syracuse carry the nyc market has never been there.

I agree.  I've spent quite a bit of time in NY/NJ and no one there cares about Rutgers football or basketball.  There is no way Rutgers will carry the market.  UCONN makes way more sense to me.

[USFresh]

You know what actually is the best thing for USF, if we could convince ND to be a package deal and then offer ourselves to SEC or ACC....

I mean c'mon... every single advantage we just discussed about USF to the ACC

What about the SEC... the SEC gains just as much as the ACC would by adding us and you would think that they would each want to block us from joining the other if they could...

If USF and ND could get together as a packaged deal I don't see how either could say no to that combination of national following and recruiting exposure.

The only plausible thing I can see is the ACC saying USF academics are not good enough and feeling that they already have enough of a presence in Florida, but who would they take instead of us?

The SEC I could see turning down ND because they're not really 'southeast' but they would be hard to pass up.

Anyway... It seems that USF could be in a really good spot here for the ACC or SEC possibly wanting to keep USF away from the other, and a possible 3rd conference out of the state.

Just think if the other SEC teams got to double their visits to FL. I imagine they would love it.

Why would ND partner with anyone, much less us?  And don't tell me the Florida presence; the ACC and SEC already have that.

[Bull Dozer]

The North Carolina schools (who pretty much run the conference) won't want us because of our academics and the fact that we will cut even further into their recruiting in FL.  Miami won't want us there because we are already making up ground against them without being in a conference that is perceived as just as good as the ACC so we will really hurt them once we are in the same conference and the NCAA slaps them down with big time penalties.  FSU could go either way but I just don't see how having a 3rd ACC team from FL helps them in any way to realistically argue for our addition.  AS far as our market I think between FSU and Miami the ACC already has a big time presence in the state of FL so really it's just over saturation.  This is why Cuse and Pitt were added, new markets, Pennsylvania is a solid talent producing state to boot.  If they were to add Uconn and Rutgers it would just be about further securing the NYC market and getting two schools with strong academics who aren't really a threat to the schools that run the conference in football.  We really bring nothing to the ACC that it doesn't already have.  If the SEC plucks out FSU I Think we have a great shot but outside of that scenario I think we don't bring enough to the table that makes up for us hurting the schools that are already in the conference.  I hope I'm wrong but that's how i see it.  

research we are ranked ahead of at least half the acc including UConn, rutgers and cuse. this seems to be the big thing in big 10 as they are all AAU members.

UNC might want to travel to central florida to in fact improve their recruiting.teams do this by playing in front of recruits and their families on road trips.

FSU and miami are dominated by the gators and the sec in central florida. they have little to no presence. if they wanted to start a network we would be huge in capturing the entire state.

and anybody who thinks rutgers, uconn, or syracuse carry the nyc market has never been there.

Research isn't the end all be all of academics so we do have that card to pull but our overall academic profile is not impressive in the least.  

UNC already is pulling kids out of central Florida and has pulled kids out of schools like Armwood in the past few years so they don't have a problem with their FL presence as far as recruiting goes.  Same for all of the ACC Schools since the ACC has a strong rep amongst prospects and high school coaches in FL.  It's not SEC strong but in FL, really what other conference is?

If you look at the fan numbers posted in the NYT article when you combine FSU and UM in the state its a very big presence and certainly enough make it a strong chip in TV negotiations.  

As for Cuse RU, and Uconn they don't carry the NYC market separately but when combined you are going to have their games on in NYC and their conbined presence in NYC makes that market pretty secure for negotiations.  No one team will ever own the NYC market but when you combine those schools you pretty much have Jersey, Connecticut and the state of NYC well covered which is a ton of eyeballs, and more importantly new eyeballs, for TV negotiations.  

[South_Florida_Flip]

Espn article regarding big east meeting tonight says no decisions to be made, and officials are keeping an eye on Big 12 situation. I have zero confidence in this passive, thumb-twiddling approach. I hope Genshaft and woolard GTFO and ditch this group.

One chance to grow a pair and be proactive and the big east lays an egg

Is ESPN sitting in on this meeting?

Something tells me we'll find out more from this meeting than is being let on.

[DELdaBull]

How about Miami and FSU would want us in to negate the Carolina voting block.

Duke, Wake, NC, NC State, and Clemson have each others back.

FSU, Miami, maybe VTech look out for each other. The others are free agents. Never know what their interests line up win.

The Florida school would know where "little brother's" loyalties lie (especially if you boast you made sure they got in). 

Chew on that