Brad Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Admin Topic Count: 13,331 Content Count: 97,076 Reputation: 10,846 Days Won: 469 Joined: 05/19/2000 Share Posted April 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, Outlaw said: We were a top 50 program prior to the collapse of the big east and now we are rock bottom of fbs football. We lowered our standard by allowing lower ranked programs catch up and catapult USF. The program is two folds We failed to hire quality coaches and invest in athletics because Judy prioritized athletics. I think this conference is considerably worse than the big east and brought USF down but brought up lower ranking programs like ucf. The firing of Leavitt and the collapse of the big east started the downfall of USF football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,714 Reputation: 10,932 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted April 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, Brad said: So not playing Top 25 ball in the Big East would have made us better than, help me out @Outlaw, 4-21 in C-USA 3.0 the last few years? The last few years are irrelevant. Part of the argument with CJL's firing was that, if he was here, he very possibly could have dominated the AAC based on what he did in the BE. Playing off that, forget the one CUSA 1.0 year we did have, I think Jim could have very well dominated CUSA 1.5, eliminating any pressure on him from above and/or, more importantly, on himself. I'm sure he hated that coming back down to earth after such great starts to seasons. It was probably wearing on him and he was an emotional guy. Administration/donors shouldn't have had a problem with winning some conf championships and being in the thick of it for a whole season. Those brief highs in the BE were awesome but I don't think were worth what we had to ultimately pay for them with ... losing a great coach and a fan base built like a house of cards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgianbull Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 0 Content Count: 2,038 Reputation: 1,025 Days Won: 10 Joined: 12/02/2022 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Going independent a decade ago would have been a terrible idea, and it would even be a worse idea today. One reason would be that we would never win a conference championship. Now at least we have the hope of winning one. And who would even play us? It hasn't done much good for U Conn's football program. At least they get to play basketball in the Big East. Perhaps we could land in the A Sun for basketball and have rivalries with Stetson, North Florida, and the Jacksonvilles No I firmly believe we are much better off in the AAC then going independent. We just need to suck it up and start winning in a conference where winning shouldn't be that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted April 5, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted April 5, 2023 disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Matrix Posted April 5, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 604 Content Count: 16,485 Reputation: 2,940 Days Won: 43 Joined: 01/04/2003 Share Posted April 5, 2023 3 hours ago, smazza said: disaster I agree with you on this. USF just doesn’t have the strong brand sports name like a Notre Dame, Army, BYU or even UConn yet to even consider going independent. Right now, USF is in the AAC which will be competing for that top 6 rated conference spot starting in 2024. Things could be much worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgianbull Posted April 5, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 0 Content Count: 2,038 Reputation: 1,025 Days Won: 10 Joined: 12/02/2022 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bull Awakening said: I agree with you on this. USF just doesn’t have the strong brand sports name like a Notre Dame, Army, BYU or even UConn yet to even consider going independent. Right now, USF is in the AAC which will be competing for that top 6 rated conference spot starting in 2024. Things could be much worse I agree, the AAC is hardly rock button. At worst its middle of the pack. At best its still the sixth best conference in the country. My biggest worry about the AAC is not the AAC in its current form, but that it might lose more teams to expansion ( Memphis, SMU, Tulane) and that USF might not be one of those teams. That's why we need a quick turn around in football. Edited April 5, 2023 by belgianbull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBulls84 Posted April 5, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 43 Content Count: 3,899 Reputation: 871 Days Won: 8 Joined: 12/10/2006 Share Posted April 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Bull Awakening said: I agree with you on this. USF just doesn’t have the strong brand sports name like a Notre Dame, Army, BYU or even UConn yet to even consider going independent. Right now, USF is in the AAC which will be competing for that top 6 rated conference spot starting in 2024. Things could be much worse UConn worked because their football program isn't their flagship. They planted their other programs in the Big East and got back to their roots, playing more teams that their fans wanted to see in basketball etc. We don't have the brand name to be able to do that in any sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Matrix Posted April 6, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 604 Content Count: 16,485 Reputation: 2,940 Days Won: 43 Joined: 01/04/2003 Share Posted April 6, 2023 13 hours ago, belgianbull said: I agree, the AAC is hardly rock button. At worst its middle of the pack. At best its still the sixth best conference in the country. My biggest worry about the AAC is not the AAC in its current form, but that it might lose more teams to expansion ( Memphis, SMU, Tulane) and that USF might not be one of those teams. That's why we need a quick turn around in football. Exactly. Also we can expect the big 12 to lose more teams once again. That is why I caution any talk of USF wanting to be in that mess. We went through that with the big east mess so no thanks to doing that again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted April 6, 2023 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,272 Reputation: 6,157 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted April 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bull Awakening said: Exactly. Also we can expect the big 12 to lose more teams once again. That is why I caution any talk of USF wanting to be in that mess. We went through that with the big east mess so no thanks to doing that again And what would you say we are currently going through? Again… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Posted April 6, 2023 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 74 Content Count: 12,626 Reputation: 3,313 Days Won: 25 Joined: 10/16/2017 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Just now, puc86 said: And what would you say we are currently going through? Again… We are the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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