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[zerogbull]

Flowers and Bench are very different types of players.  One has all-star legs and scrambling ability, but (most will agree) suspect passing ability, or at least inconsistent.  You can argue he shows the occasional flash of success passing and nails a TD or two, but can you argue he maintains a legit passing threat for an entire game?  Lot of bad balls away from open receivers or at their feet.   One at the end of the first half probably killed a drive and cost us points. The ESPN announcers were almost ridiculing our passing ability the whole game.   Bench may not be P5 caliber, but he's a senior, and a more standard passing QB.   He looked real good against FAMU.  

 

I love QF, and I'm not saying just play Bench, play both in the proper situations.  There is nothing wrong with using all your assets.   Bigger programs than us have played 2 quarterbacks.

Edited September 14, 2015 by zerogbull

[nobullaboutit]

For all you Bench supporters, I just have one question for you. Now answer this TRUTHFULLY now. In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe that Bench would have made something out that mad scramble where Flowers threw a TD to Johnson. And the answer to that is an obvious NO. He would have either been sacked, or had to throw it away. And that, my friends is why Flowers is our QB. Flowers will get the job done, and make you all eat crow. Flowers is flat out better than Bench. Flowers has the heart of a lion. He has been through everything in his life, and his teammates would run through a brick wall for him. Flowers is a champion for just surviving this long. Flowers will get the job done...wait and see.

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[nobullaboutit]

Flowers and Bench are very different types of players. One has all-star legs and scrambling ability, but (most will agree) suspect passing ability, or at least inconsistent. You can argue he shows the occasional flash of success passing and nails a TD or two, but can you argue he maintains a legit passing threat for an entire game? Lot of bad balls away from open receivers or at their feet. One at the end of the first half probably killed a drive and cost us points. The ESPN announcers were almost ridiculing our passing ability the whole game. Bench may not be P5 caliber, but he's a senior, and a more standard passing QB. He looked real good against FAMU.

I love QF, and I'm not saying just play Bench, play both in the proper situations. There is nothing wrong with using all your assets. Bigger programs than us have played 2 quarterbacks.

This is what I want. Play both to air it out & keep the defense guessing. Edited September 14, 2015 by nobullaboutit

[JTrue]

For all you Bench supporters, I just have one question for you.  Now answer this TRUTHFULLY now.  In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe that Bench would have made something out that mad scramble where Flowers threw a TD to Johnson.  And the answer to that is an obvious NO.  He would have either been sacked, or had to throw it away.  And that, my friends is why Flowers is our QB.  Flowers will get the job done, and make you all eat crow.  Flowers is flat out better than Bench.  Flowers has the heart of a lion.  He has been through everything in his life, and his teammates would run through a brick wall for him.  Flowers is a champion for just surviving this long.  Flowers will get the job done...wait and see. 

They might run through a brick wall for him, they just won't have the ball when they do it. It'll be in the 3rd row on the sideline.

[CPR]

 

For all you Bench supporters, I just have one question for you.  Now answer this TRUTHFULLY now.  In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe that Bench would have made something out that mad scramble where Flowers threw a TD to Johnson.  And the answer to that is an obvious NO.  He would have either been sacked, or had to throw it away.  And that, my friends is why Flowers is our QB.  Flowers will get the job done, and make you all eat crow.  Flowers is flat out better than Bench.  Flowers has the heart of a lion.  He has been through everything in his life, and his teammates would run through a brick wall for him.  Flowers is a champion for just surviving this long.  Flowers will get the job done...wait and see. 

They might run through a brick wall for him, they just won't have the ball when they do it. It'll be in the 3rd row on the sideline.

 

 

I wonder how many of those 7,882 posts of yours weren't sarcastic. It's a gift.

[JTrue]

 

 

For all you Bench supporters, I just have one question for you.  Now answer this TRUTHFULLY now.  In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe that Bench would have made something out that mad scramble where Flowers threw a TD to Johnson.  And the answer to that is an obvious NO.  He would have either been sacked, or had to throw it away.  And that, my friends is why Flowers is our QB.  Flowers will get the job done, and make you all eat crow.  Flowers is flat out better than Bench.  Flowers has the heart of a lion.  He has been through everything in his life, and his teammates would run through a brick wall for him.  Flowers is a champion for just surviving this long.  Flowers will get the job done...wait and see. 

They might run through a brick wall for him, they just won't have the ball when they do it. It'll be in the 3rd row on the sideline.

 

 

I wonder how many of those 7,882 posts of yours weren't sarcastic. It's a gift.

 

The first 1000 or so I was just finding my voice. So I don't like to count those. Like how Sylvester Stallone did some porn before Rocky.

[CPR]

 

 

 

For all you Bench supporters, I just have one question for you.  Now answer this TRUTHFULLY now.  In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe that Bench would have made something out that mad scramble where Flowers threw a TD to Johnson.  And the answer to that is an obvious NO.  He would have either been sacked, or had to throw it away.  And that, my friends is why Flowers is our QB.  Flowers will get the job done, and make you all eat crow.  Flowers is flat out better than Bench.  Flowers has the heart of a lion.  He has been through everything in his life, and his teammates would run through a brick wall for him.  Flowers is a champion for just surviving this long.  Flowers will get the job done...wait and see. 

They might run through a brick wall for him, they just won't have the ball when they do it. It'll be in the 3rd row on the sideline.

 

 

I wonder how many of those 7,882 posts of yours weren't sarcastic. It's a gift.

 

The first 1000 or so I was just finding my voice. So I don't like to count those. Like how Sylvester Stallone did some porn before Rocky.

 

 

I heard about that on Garabo a couple weeks ago.

[JTrue]

 

 

 

 

For all you Bench supporters, I just have one question for you.  Now answer this TRUTHFULLY now.  In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe that Bench would have made something out that mad scramble where Flowers threw a TD to Johnson.  And the answer to that is an obvious NO.  He would have either been sacked, or had to throw it away.  And that, my friends is why Flowers is our QB.  Flowers will get the job done, and make you all eat crow.  Flowers is flat out better than Bench.  Flowers has the heart of a lion.  He has been through everything in his life, and his teammates would run through a brick wall for him.  Flowers is a champion for just surviving this long.  Flowers will get the job done...wait and see. 

They might run through a brick wall for him, they just won't have the ball when they do it. It'll be in the 3rd row on the sideline.

 

 

I wonder how many of those 7,882 posts of yours weren't sarcastic. It's a gift.

 

The first 1000 or so I was just finding my voice. So I don't like to count those. Like how Sylvester Stallone did some porn before Rocky.

 

 

I heard about that on Garabo a couple weeks ago.

 

Same idea. Now I crank **** out like Demolition Man and Tango and Cash. I'm on my game.

[Sellular1]

Flowers and Bench are very different types of players. One has all-star legs and scrambling ability, but (most will agree) suspect passing ability, or at least inconsistent. You can argue he shows the occasional flash of success passing and nails a TD or two, but can you argue he maintains a legit passing threat for an entire game? Lot of bad balls away from open receivers or at their feet. One at the end of the first half probably killed a drive and cost us points. The ESPN announcers were almost ridiculing our passing ability the whole game. Bench may not be P5 caliber, but he's a senior, and a more standard passing QB. He looked real good against FAMU.

I love QF, and I'm not saying just play Bench, play both in the proper situations. There is nothing wrong with using all your assets. Bigger programs than us have played 2 quarterbacks.

When the team falls behind and the clock is against you, you need a QB who can throw the ball and get you back into it. The 2nd half of the FSU game should have had some Bench series to try and accomplish this. I wish QF could use his arm to score points quickly but he doesn't. It would be great if our one dimensional, running game based, offensive philosophy would win us every game and we wouldn't need to throw a pass. (It worked for GA Southern when they beat Gaturs in the Swamp without completing a single pass) Edited September 14, 2015 by Sellular1

[Bull-Hornz]

While I have done this in the past, with all the newer TBP'ers and many older I respect, I would like to clarify why I want to see Bench.

 

First off I don't care what Bench did in 2013, I want the QB that will put us in the best position to win NOW.

 

Lets look at Bench's last 5 games for all those claiming he is an INT machine:

 

  Vs         |CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% |  TD  |  INT  | RAT

  Cin 14   |   9   |   14  | 147  |   64.3  |    2  |      0  |   199.6

  Hou 14  |  12  |    25 |  147 |   48.0  |    0   |     1  |    89.4

  Mem 14 |   6   |    11 |  57   |   54.5  |   1   |      0  |    128.1

  UCF 14 |   7   |    13 |  88   |    53.8 |   0    |     0  |    110.7  

  FAM 15 |   8   |    10 |  140 |    80.0  |   1   |     0  |    230.6

 

   AVG CMP%:       60.12

   TD/INT       :   4/1

   AVG QB Rating:  151.68     

 

 

These numbers are without getting full first team reps. Even in the game where SB started he had to split reps with a hurt MW. Bench is a passer. Unlike BJ, Matt and Quinton, he needs to develop a rhythm and gel with the receivers b/c he is not going to scramble around and make a sandlot play. The timing and routes have to be there and that only happens with getting the reps in. 

 

As far as his legs go, SB will not be able to extend plays like QF can, he is not as dynamic. I haven't seen a single person claim that. He will be sacked more than QF, but I would argue he will also have more completed passes and make throws he cannot atm. I would also rather him take a sack or throw it away then throw a pick. He is also not a stick in the mud either. He has the wheels to pick up a first down and TD and with the RB's we have THAT IS ALL WE NEED. We don't need the QB to be another RB in this system. It is far more important for the QB to be able to toss the rock and keep D's honest. We saw lots of two back option against FSU and I love that look with the talent we have for both QF and SB.

 

Now lets move onto the FAMU game where people are discrediting what SB did. Listen I am pulling for QF and I think he will continue to develop, hopefully into what we need. But lets be honest, SB can toss the rock better. The throws he made against FAMU where on point and QF hasn't shown anything to prove he can make those throws. You can say all you want about FAMU's D, it was gassed, they are no good etc etc but he put the ball on the money over the middle, down the sidelines, short and deep. He Executed the Play! He can make ALL the throws, and at this moment, IMO QF can't.

 

Finally, look at the numbers above. If we can get this kind of production from the QB we will go bowling for sure! The TD to INT ratio should end any notion that he is a turn over machine. Further that avg passer rating for the last 5 games would put SB currently in the top 40 QBs of 2015. Those of us asking to "SEE" SB I believe are fully justified. Bringing in SB sometime in the 3rd against FSU, was the right move in my opinion. It's not that QF played bad, he is just not that type of QB atm. He doesn't have the tools right now to sling the ball to bring us back when we are down. If anything can be said for SB its that he has proven to be able to come into a game in the 2nd half and do well. 

Edited September 14, 2015 by Bull-Hornz